Couldn't they have made a hologram? Photons & force fields.
Murder!! or not?
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Because it's an interesting topic and newbies like me haven't had a chance to talk about it.
It's a very hot topic, very sexy. Everyone wants a piece of this topic!
Tuvix and Neelix were already gone. They didn't even exist anymore. They don't get a say in what happens after that point. But I highly doubt Neelix or Tuvok would send a sentient being to their death just so they can survive.
Star trek doesn't really endorse a forced "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" philosphy. Otherwise they wouldn't have mission after mission where the entire crew of the ship is in danger for the sake of saving one person. I find the whole peer pressuring they did with Tuvix in this episode kind of disgusting - imagine if instead of Spock entering that chamber to save the ship, the entire crew peer pressured Spock into that chamber against his will.
The only reason for the ending they went with, was so that things would reset to the status quo. I probably would have made the same decision she did but lets call it what it is, bending her morals and committing a wrong act for a happy outcome. It annoys me because it isn't consistent with the Janeway who doesn't bend her morals to get Neelix's lungs back or get back home in the pilot.
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There are a couple ways that would work.
Continuous scans of the brain broadcasted into a buffer/harddrive, and then again broadcasted into a hologram that reacts like a puppet to the will of the mind.
The mind is recorded and then stored on a harddrive/buffer where it acts as semiselfaware AI that thinks that it is a person. It is not a person. It is an interactive game that is only not going to try and destroy theship because of imposed limits given by it's programmer when it's put in it's cage.
I suppose there's some TOS crap about "life energy" or "souls" (Katras) that once it transfersers out of a body and into a robot (Return to tomorrow?) the body withers... Which is crap.
Copy and paste vs cut and paste.
Any decision to cut and paste when you could copy and post is an attempt at suicide.
Making a copy of Tuvix, doesn't extend Tuvix's life anymore than playing a video tape of you after your death, is an extension of your life.
Continuous scans of the brain broadcasted into a buffer/harddrive, and then again broadcasted into a hologram that reacts like a puppet to the will of the mind.
The mind is recorded and then stored on a harddrive/buffer where it acts as semiselfaware AI that thinks that it is a person. It is not a person. It is an interactive game that is only not going to try and destroy theship because of imposed limits given by it's programmer when it's put in it's cage.
I suppose there's some TOS crap about "life energy" or "souls" (Katras) that once it transfersers out of a body and into a robot (Return to tomorrow?) the body withers... Which is crap.
Copy and paste vs cut and paste.
Any decision to cut and paste when you could copy and post is an attempt at suicide.
Making a copy of Tuvix, doesn't extend Tuvix's life anymore than playing a video tape of you after your death, is an extension of your life.
If they did not exist any more they would not have been able to reappear totally fine.
OK.
1. No.
2. Yes. No, though they offered some input anyway.
3. No one thought it was murder. No. No, not all harm is murder.
4. Tuvix couldn't harm Tuvok or Neelix.
5. It wasn't murder, and most plots in past episodes are never brought up again.
6. Absolutely not.
Hee hee. I guess so.
Janeway fixed a transporter malfunction because, science. Yay!
No souls were harmed in the operation.
That's like saying a person still exists if they're stuck as a data file in the transporter. They were just the raw materials the transporter needed to resurrect them by ripping Tuvix apart. I'd hardly call that alive...
If Tuvix is sentient and self-aware and does not want to die; then how isn't it murder even if his being deliberately killed saves a million lives?
He's not being killed, he's being separated. He just suffers from false consciousness as a result of the transporter accident. Brain damage if you will. That's what happens when you smush two brains together.
There were no good reason to hurry at this point. The Doctor never said that there was a deadline about getting Tuvok and Neelix back. So if it was a matter of getting Tuvok to his family they could have waited till Voyager reached the alpha quadrant which for all they knew at that point could have been never. Second, there's the judgment of Kes that practically said that she wanted Neelix back and was willing to sacrifice Tuvix to get him. But we all know that she's a selfish insensitive bitch that dumps Neelix (like an old pair of socks) only a few months after this episode. So, what was the point of listening to her in the first place?
The right thing to do would have been to wait till either the doc finds a way to bring them all back (Neelix, Tuvok AND Tuvix) OR till there's some events that says that the decision must be reached imminently, whichever comes first.
Morality: Janeway is a cold blooded murderer.
The right thing to do would have been to wait till either the doc finds a way to bring them all back (Neelix, Tuvok AND Tuvix) OR till there's some events that says that the decision must be reached imminently, whichever comes first.
Morality: Janeway is a cold blooded murderer.
Spock walked around fine like nothing h... I'm going to start another Tuvix thread.
Murder is unlawful deliberately intended killing. It was both lawful and just to perform the operation to restore Tuvok and Neelix. Janeway acted within her authority, and the whole crew agreed that she did. Under those conditions, it could not possibly have been murder, even assuming that a sentient being was killed in the process. No doubt Starfleet agreed when they examined the thorough and complete records of the event.
So I take it that you disapprove of this thread. I am very observant that way. years of training will do that to you...
What if you never get around to changing your will and your ex-spouse who hates you is your nominated person to make all medical decisions including pulling plugs.
No one likes to have an abortion but many would find it easier at 6 weeks than 12 weeks, or even worse 18 weeks.
We had a Tuvix thread that was on the front page for ONE YEAR. Yes for one year people were posting and posting in it and then mercifully it dropped awaaaaay back into the dim (but not dim enough) recesses of this BBS. And then like some mythical creature its death spawned multiple threads, threads every week seemingly, three Tuvix threads at a time some days all LIVE. And full of deep intelligent discussion.
I guess if we kill these ones the forum will be destroyed in the eventual Tuvixopacalypse.
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