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Moviemongers Don't Care about Comic Books: My View

There was definitely a downturn in quality, overall, for the Big Two in the late 70s-- so much so that I gave up on comics for several years. But the early 80s brought a nice little renaissance (especially at Marvel under Jim Shooter) that coincided with the birth of the direct market and the renaissance of comics in general. Quality continued to be maintained, at a diminishing level, until about the early 90s and then became increasingly sporadic. In the 2000s-- and my dates here are very general because it all kind of blurs together now-- the Big Two became pretty much unreadable. However, I don't think this has as much to do with corporate ownership as it does with the fact that the industry has been taken over by fanboys of substandard talent and the fact that they are becoming more and more desperate to hang on to a diminishing audience (not to mention general fashions in pop culture being so ugly).

And, while I do believe that most characters belong in a certain historical context, that idea was never embraced by the industry itself. By the Silver Age, it would have been impossible to pretend that the DC Universe was happening in real time, even if they had ever made that effort. Marvel was more that sort of company-- showing evolution of characters like Peter Parker moving on to college or Reed and Sue getting married and having a kid-- but by the late 70s it could no longer be pretended that these characters were linked to real time. I'm not one to defend business decisions controlling art, but I can't really begrudge them that-- the only other option would have been to let their most popular characters get old, retire and die while new characters, or new versions of the old characters, took over. And that would have been a dicey proposition, to say the least.

As for the movies, I haven't seen most of them because I have little interest in comic book characters transitioning to movies and TV. They never seem to get it right. But I do have an interest in Captain America and X-Men: First Class because they were done as period pieces. Purist that I am, I'd like to see more of that. Sherlock Holmes belongs circa the 1890s, The Shadow belongs circa the 1930s and the Fantastic Four belongs in the 60s.
 
Besides, going only to 1976 sort of bogs things down with the pure ridiculousness the CCA brought to Marvel and DC.
 
Yes, comics are a legit American artform. No, the greatness of comics did NOT end with 1976 or whatever.

This just is more old geek "they changin mah stuff, you KIDS GET OFFA MAH LAWN" stuff you see too often around here.
 
I read that whole thing, and still couldn't find how setting the stories in modern day devalues them.
 
I sincerely doubt that the OP thinks that Reed Richards was in his fifties in 1976, which is about what he would have been in order to have served in World War 2.

Actually, I think he was. One of the very first FF comics I read was from right around that time, where Reed was losing his powers "due to middle age."

These days, they have a pill for that.
 
I sincerely doubt that the OP thinks that Reed Richards was in his fifties in 1976, which is about what he would have been in order to have served in World War 2.

Actually, I think he was. One of the very first FF comics I read was from right around that time, where Reed was losing his powers "due to middle age."

These days, they have a pill for that.

Given Reed's power set, that's a pill he'd never need.
 
I got half way into that rant and stopped.
I've been reading comics nearly 25yrs and I'm quite fine with the product I'm seeing.
Useless outrage.

Bring on IM3
 
I have to say upon reading the gentlemen's post that I have to respectfully disagree. To me the Silver Age of comics if anything, is the nadir of comic art and writing particularly DC, Marvel perhaps less-so. Whilst the 70s through mid 80s which are referred to as the Bronze Age were in my mind a considerable improvement on what came before, not so much for Superman (other than on the big screen) but the so-called definitive run of Batman stories in Detective Comics produced by the team of Steve Englehart, Marshall Rodgers and Terry Austin came out over the period 1977-78.

Whilst over at Marvel, the 70s and early 80s featured definitive versions of most of their key characters such as The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man. I really love the run on Iron Man by the likes of John Romita Junior, David Michaline such as Demon in a Bottle and Doomquest.

And as for the Modern Age, I love what DC did following Crisis on Infinite Earths with Superman,Batman, Wonder Woman et al. And that includes Doomsday and Beyond and Knightfall and Beyond. I don't really follow Marvel so much these days and I've heard mainly bad things about them in the 90s but I've been buying the TPCs of the current Iron Man comics (I've collected upto and including Stark Resiliant) and I like what I read. Granted whats happened over at Ultimate Spider-Man didn't appeal at all and I've now dropped that title, probably for good. not keen on the New 52 at DC because of some of the changes and because I feel it was a wasted opportunity (I'd have started again from scratch but for purely commercial reasons relating to all the Batman spin-off titles plus The Justice League, they went for this halfway house of hopping universes).

In terms of the adaptations on the large and small screen, for the most part I love them and really can't understand what setting the Marvel Avengers Universe of films in the 60s would have accomplished. Yes X-Men First Class which was a period piece was good, but it was setting out a continuing story that would lead to the present day.

Anyway apologies for my rambling, thats my two peneth.
 
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I think what you're suggesting fossilizes the work, makes it only fit to be hung in a museum. Which isn't what comics are AT ALL. Comics have ALWAYS been popular entertainment, they have constantly updated to be in "modern" times.

Give me fresh visions of iconic characters over frozen, untouchable works of "art" any day.

In other words, why would I want Iron Man to be transformed into opera or ballet, cared about by a few rare people?
 
I bet what REALLY made him angry about Captain America: The First Avenger was that Nick Fury was portrayed by a Negro.
 
The bottom line is that (to paraphrase John Byrne), the golden age of comics is whenever you were twelve years old. Maybe a few years younger.
 
The bottom line is that (to paraphrase John Byrne), the golden age of comics is whenever you were twelve years old. Maybe a few years younger.



But I hated 90s comic books.

I don't think most comic book readers who grew up in the 90s consider that any kind of Golden Age. Not even the guys who have twelve copies of X-Force #1 bagged and boarded up in their basement.
 
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I don't think the 90s get enough respect. There were a lot of really good books and runs in the 90s and early 00s. I list some of them earlier.
 
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