Moviemongers Don't Care about Comic Books: My View
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I loved the early-90's Justice League.
The Keith Giffen and J. M. DeMatteis Justice League International era was pretty good. The 90s did have some good stories, no doubt. But the sheer volume of "edgy", foil-covered, Liefeld-style over substance drek that decade produced made it the worst era in superhero comicbook history since at least the 50s.
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Yes, Morrison Justice League!!
Add another to the list of GREAT 90's runs!!
Sure the holofoil, embossed, die-cut lenticular gimmick covers were overdone but that and shoddy Image era artists can't be all the era is known for. The move is on to remind those who've forgotten why the 90's was a great time for comics despite it's share of woes.
Add another to the list of GREAT 90's runs!!
Sure the holofoil, embossed, die-cut lenticular gimmick covers were overdone but that and shoddy Image era artists can't be all the era is known for. The move is on to remind those who've forgotten why the 90's was a great time for comics despite it's share of woes.
Lame.The 90s pretty much sucked all around.
90's pop may have been bad, but 90's alt rock and grunge (which coincidentally also has a channel on Sirius) was revolutionary.
I get the joke as far as the decade adjectives go, but I was talking about the music itself. RJDiogenes comment that the 90's sucked all around seemed to imply he believed it, and wasn't going for the comic's joke.
The 1990s had a lot of awful comics, but there was no shortage of great stuff. Some DC series that spring to mind (some of which started in the late 1980s, but mostly ran in the 1990s):
Keith Giffen's Legion of Super-Heroes (as well as his Justice League books with DeMatteis, although those ran more in the 1980s)
Neil Gaiman's The Sandman and The Books of Magic
Alan Grant's Detective Comics and Batman: Shadow of the Bat
Bill Messner-Loebs' Flash and Wonder Woman
Chuck Dixon's Detective Comics, Robin, Nightwing, and Birds of Prey (the last starting at the end of the decade)
John Ostrander's Suicide Squad (mostly 1980s) and Hawkworld
Peter Milligan's Shade, the Changing Man
Mark Waid's Flash, Impulse, and Kingdom Come
Peter David's Young Justice
Jerry Ordway's The Power of Shazam!
Grant Morrison's JLA and The Invisibles
Garth Ennis' Hitman and Preacher
James Robinson's The Golden Age and Starman
Warren Ellis' Transmetropolitan
Keith Giffen's Legion of Super-Heroes (as well as his Justice League books with DeMatteis, although those ran more in the 1980s)
Neil Gaiman's The Sandman and The Books of Magic
Alan Grant's Detective Comics and Batman: Shadow of the Bat
Bill Messner-Loebs' Flash and Wonder Woman
Chuck Dixon's Detective Comics, Robin, Nightwing, and Birds of Prey (the last starting at the end of the decade)
John Ostrander's Suicide Squad (mostly 1980s) and Hawkworld
Peter Milligan's Shade, the Changing Man
Mark Waid's Flash, Impulse, and Kingdom Come
Peter David's Young Justice
Jerry Ordway's The Power of Shazam!
Grant Morrison's JLA and The Invisibles
Garth Ennis' Hitman and Preacher
James Robinson's The Golden Age and Starman
Warren Ellis' Transmetropolitan
I think it's fair to say ANY decade had a lot of awful comics. You have a great list of great 90s comics.
Here's the difference, I think, between the 80s and 90s.
In the 80s the top selling comics tended to be the ones what were actually well-done: Byrne/Claremont/Cockrum X-men, Byrne's FF, Miller's Daredevil and Batman, Moore's stuff, Perez's WW, New Teen Titans, Stern's Spiderman, etc.
In the 90s, the top selling stuff tended to be the "collectible" special edition crap and the Image stuff. So, yes, there was good stuff out there but, save (perhaps) for Gaiman's work, it tended not to be in the Top tier of sales.
In the 80s the top selling comics tended to be the ones what were actually well-done: Byrne/Claremont/Cockrum X-men, Byrne's FF, Miller's Daredevil and Batman, Moore's stuff, Perez's WW, New Teen Titans, Stern's Spiderman, etc.
In the 90s, the top selling stuff tended to be the "collectible" special edition crap and the Image stuff. So, yes, there was good stuff out there but, save (perhaps) for Gaiman's work, it tended not to be in the Top tier of sales.
The phase of the 1990s where the Image style loomed large and sales gimmicks were everywhere was actually pretty short-lived running from 1992/1993 and flaming out by 1996/1997. It was during that period that you had some lousy books selling in big numbers, but most attempts to imitate the Image style ended in quick cancellation. The quality books may not have been at the top of the charts through the mid-1990s, but for the most part they were the ones that ended up running for a decent number of issues while the speculator boom and bust saw a lot of Image clones fold after a couple of years of publication.
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Valiant sold very well, and was good.
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I love how a thread that started with an incoherant rant has evolved into an actual discussiuon about comics!
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TrekBBS: There's no crazy thread we can't turn to gold and no golden thread we can't turn crazy.
No problem. Always up for a Groo joke.
I loved the Valiant stuff except for Turok. I used to have a full run of the comics all the way through to the Acclaim period. Managed to sell them to a comics store just before the industry collapsed in the 90's.
No problem. Always up for a Groo joke.
What do you mean, slow of mind????!!!!
Have some cheese dip.
Don't recall Byrne saying it (not disputing it tho'), however when I hear someone whining about how "things used to be better", I always think of this:
The sentiments the same, it's spot on and the OP sounds high.
My favorite comic of all time. Oddly enough, I knew it would be by the time I finished the first page of the first issue. The whole run is like some weird hybrid of Dunsany fairy tale, super-myth and tarantino....and it worked.
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That would be way too much trouble.
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