Movie showdown: TWOK v. TUC

[Kenobi]

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

 

[Basil]

David cgc said:

Basil said:
The climax of this film is lifted right out of another. Won't tell you which, but it's 40 years old, and when you see it, you'll slap yourself in the forehead. Meyer almost steals it shot for shot. Here's another clue: it's not a sci-fi film.

With the notable exception that there was a big space battle right beforehand, and Colonel Odo-as-Klingon didn't suddenly shoot General Chang at the last second instead of the president, and then kill himself after Scotty broke down the door.

But "lifted" sounds better than "homage." Besides who would expect a homage to a Cold-War staple like The Manchurian Candidate in a Sci-Fi Cold War allegory? It makes absolutely no sense, so it must be plagiarism.

Nice try, but it isn't The Manchurian Candidate, though I suspect that film inspired the one I'm referring to.

 

[Basil]

ancient said:

The climax of this film is lifted right out of another. Won't tell you which, but it's 40 years old, and when you see it, you'll slap yourself in the forehead. Meyer almost steals it shot for shot. Here's another clue: it's not a sci-fi film.

What is this, Jeopardy or something? What movie are you talking about?

Go watch some 1960s films -- you'll get an education.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Actually TUC stole the battle finale (and the translation in the courtroom) from The Hunt for Red October.

TWOK wins hands down. The film just seems more mature than TUC. I found the stakes for Kirk to be personally higher than in TUC and the performances were spot on. The music was better, too.

 

[cardinal biggles]

How was the translation in the courtroom stolen from Red October? Just because they start out in Klingon and then slip into English?

 

[CoveTom]

Basil said:
Go watch some 1960s films -- you'll get an education.

Perhaps, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to wade through every film made in the 1960's to try and figure out what you are talking about. Is there some reason you can't just make your point by coming out and telling us what movie it is?

 

[A beaker full of death]

Bonus point to anyone who tells me where Rura Penthe comes from.

 

[kobeyashi maru]

I'll have to throw in another vote for Khan, although Undiscovered Country is a pretty close second.

 

[Harvey]

A beaker full of death said:
Bonus point to anyone who tells me where Rura Penthe comes from.

Isn't that the slave labour camp that made Captain Nemo get so pissed at the world in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea?

 

[A beaker full of death]

^ Well done.

 

[DanTheGrey]

TWOK for me

TUC was decent enough, if a bit uneven in how it was approaching it's main theme. There were some really good updated effects (was in awe of the Klingon Battlecruiser the first time it appeared) though the weak comedy elements detracted from it (flashbacks to ST V).

 

[Ssosmcin]

cardinal biggles said:
How was the translation in the courtroom stolen from Red October? Just because they start out in Klingon and then slip into English?

The camera work is the same, IIRC. The zooming in while speaking one language and zooming out in English.

Let's not say stolen, then. How about "inspired by?" :_)

 

[A beaker full of death]

ssosmcin said:

cardinal biggles said:
How was the translation in the courtroom stolen from Red October? Just because they start out in Klingon and then slip into English?

The camera work is the same, IIRC. The zooming in while speaking one language and zooming out in English.

Let's not say stolen, then. How about "inspired by?" :_)

I'm pretty sure the same technique was used in Judgment at Nuremberg.

 

[ancient]

Basil said:

ancient said:

The climax of this film is lifted right out of another. Won't tell you which, but it's 40 years old, and when you see it, you'll slap yourself in the forehead. Meyer almost steals it shot for shot. Here's another clue: it's not a sci-fi film.

What is this, Jeopardy or something? What movie are you talking about?

Go watch some 1960s films -- you'll get an education.

Nah, I'll just have watched about 10,000 movies and wasted a bunch of time. No education there, except in eye pain.

Whatever.

TWOK still wins. Saavik is just way better than Valeris the war-monger.

Not that TUC isn't awesome, even if it did lay it on thick.

 

[Basil]

ancient said:

Basil said:

ancient said:

The climax of this film is lifted right out of another. Won't tell you which, but it's 40 years old, and when you see it, you'll slap yourself in the forehead. Meyer almost steals it shot for shot. Here's another clue: it's not a sci-fi film.

What is this, Jeopardy or something? What movie are you talking about?

Go watch some 1960s films -- you'll get an education.

Nah, I'll just have watched about 10,000 movies and wasted a bunch of time. No education there, except in eye pain.

Whatever.

TWOK still wins. Saavik is just way better than Valeris the war-monger.

Not that TUC isn't awesome, even if it did lay it on thick.

I can live with that.

 

[Basil]

CoveTom said:

Basil said:
Go watch some 1960s films -- you'll get an education.

Perhaps, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to wade through every film made in the 1960's to try and figure out what you are talking about. Is there some reason you can't just make your point by coming out and telling us what movie it is?

Yes, why reward laziness. There's a whole wealth of great film out there just waiting to be discovered. I found it. You can, too. If not, that's fine, too.

 

[RookieBatman]

Basil said:
Yes, why reward laziness. There's a whole wealth of great film out there just waiting to be discovered. I found it. You can, too. If not, that's fine, too.

Hey, Basil, for those of us who do like watching the classics (my favored range is the 40's to the 60's), why don't you recommend some movies for us? I just watched The Seven Samurai the other day, and it really was an "education," like you said. I'd certainly like to gain a similar experience from some of the better movies of the 60's, but I certainly don't have time to watch every movie made between 1960 and 1969. So, if you're an aficionado of fine movies, why not just share with other aficionados what some of your favorites are?

 

[A beaker full of death]

^ Just to pipe in here, you must now immediately watch The Magnificent Seven.

 

[cardinal biggles]

^After seeing The Magnificent Seven, I gained a better appreciation for what Michael Piller was trying to do with Insurrection.

Didn't make it a better movie, but it does make you regret that the film didn't turn out better.

 

[Maurice]

A beaker full of death said:
Bonus point to anyone who tells me where Rura Penthe comes from.

Specifically:

Nemo: Rorapandi. The white mans' grave.

Uhura: Rura Penthe!
Chekov: Known throughout the galaxy as the aliens' graveyard.