TMP - from hater to avid fan…
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The final version of that shot in the 2022 DE also looks... weird, too. It looks far too much like CG, and the effects of the dissipating cloud fade away too fast. Really clashes with their original objective of trying to look like 1979 effects.
Pluto's orbit is 40 AU in diameter, so twice as big as that. That's very insane. 2AU is past the orbit of Mars into the asteroid belt.
While I admit I prefer TWoK for its superior pacing, characterisation, and its banging score, I think that the flaws and plot holes in TWoK do stand out more as you get older, whereas as you come to admire TMP's attention to detail even more. Of every Trek movie, it's the one that feels the most credibly science fiction.
There is plenty of characterisation in TMP, it's just that it's more subtle, and the characters are less sympathetic than in TWoK. The score is entirely on par with TWoK and I think the Enterprise and V'Ger flyovers are important parts of the emotional journey for the characters and for the viewer. I would not want to see them shortened any further.
I do prefer the extra character scenes in the SLV to the point where I made my own hybrid version of the DE with the extra SLV scenes. I think each of the characters get to contribute in their own niche with a smattering of their established characterisation from TOS but many of those moments are so organic, they may not register.
The only bit that drags for me is the final scene at V'ger's core. The characters spend too much time looking at flashing lights and listening to V'ger clucking. If they shortened that by 5 minutes, I would not miss it.
The only things I would have liked to see would have been:-
- A scene where Chapel and McCoy actually speak directly to each other
- A scene where Sulu, Uhura, Chekov and Rand interact together to evoke some TOS camaraderie between the more junior crew
- Uhura assisting Spock on the V'ger signal instead of Decker
- Rand in the second half of the movie, either manning the engineering station or taking over Ilia's station
- Rand on the bridge with Scotty and Chapel at the end
- A landing party following Spock inside V'ger to try and inject a bit of action
- Either trim or use CGI on the little rubber dude on Epsilon IX
It's a beautiful movie with incredible effects. An under-appreciated gem.
There is plenty of characterisation in TMP, it's just that it's more subtle, and the characters are less sympathetic than in TWoK. The score is entirely on par with TWoK and I think the Enterprise and V'Ger flyovers are important parts of the emotional journey for the characters and for the viewer. I would not want to see them shortened any further.
I do prefer the extra character scenes in the SLV to the point where I made my own hybrid version of the DE with the extra SLV scenes. I think each of the characters get to contribute in their own niche with a smattering of their established characterisation from TOS but many of those moments are so organic, they may not register.
The only bit that drags for me is the final scene at V'ger's core. The characters spend too much time looking at flashing lights and listening to V'ger clucking. If they shortened that by 5 minutes, I would not miss it.
The only things I would have liked to see would have been:-
- A scene where Chapel and McCoy actually speak directly to each other
- A scene where Sulu, Uhura, Chekov and Rand interact together to evoke some TOS camaraderie between the more junior crew
- Uhura assisting Spock on the V'ger signal instead of Decker
- Rand in the second half of the movie, either manning the engineering station or taking over Ilia's station
- Rand on the bridge with Scotty and Chapel at the end
- A landing party following Spock inside V'ger to try and inject a bit of action
- Either trim or use CGI on the little rubber dude on Epsilon IX
It's a beautiful movie with incredible effects. An under-appreciated gem.
It's awful. The only reason it's not my least favorite thing in the DE is the Officer's Lounge scene lasts longer. (And how did they screw up the tram station? It's a finished shot, fer crying out loud!)
I heard someone (Fein or Matessino?) say that the second go round took less of the approach that the 01 version did: "Make it look like they did it in 1979." Which of course was a mistake. It was a noble goal and one that really kept the TMP
E from straying into Star Wars SE territory.It always feels to me like I'm bashing on the DE. I love the DE. It's my go to version. (The 01 was not.) It's just that it's so dramatically marred in some weird ways.
But Matessino made "2 AUs in diameter" sound like an actual sentence in the 22.
Pluto's averaged orbit is just under 40 AU in radius, not diameter.
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