lol .... before 2003... lol...
Not an arbitrary date, that's when the Mitchell Report came out, genius. Anyone before that only got caught if they were seen doing them; steroid testing wasn't until after that. If you got busted AFTER that, you were a moron. See: ARod, Manny, and still tons of guys every year. So yeah, wipe out all of Ortiz's stats before that test. He was decent after that, and never failed a test, huh? Of the 20-something Yankees on that same report, wiping out the same years kinda takes away a couple rings, doesn't it. Keep railing on certain people while ignoring the blatant and widespread cheating in your own house...
I'm not glossing over anything, I just hate Arod. Always did.
And Didi Gregorius. Wait, he's playing decent right now, so you dropped that one. If his bat goes limp again, maybe you'll always hate him again?
Then he just lied about it and made things worse. I would have had more respect for him had he just owned up to it... but he wouldn't because it's all about the hall for him.
Right, like Pettitte. Do whatever you want, cheat away, and if you're caught, apologize. And if you get caught again, apologize again. You're very clearly good with that, and think it's Hall-worthy, so why's it not ok for ARod? Where do you stand on Giambi? He
kinda apologized...for something...
I don't know why you keep defending him, still soar over him not being on your team?
SOAR?
if you mean SORE, I'm really not. Don't like him one bit. Also, right after the Yankees beat the Sox out for him, I think you'll recall they did ok
I heard all the Red Sox were doing them, especially after 2003. That whole New England bunch are in league with ESPN so...
Oh, you
heard it.
Well, I heard that the Yankees were caught with... Nevermind. That's too stupid to respond to. But since they were testing, should be easy to come up with something that's not innuendo on a Yankees fan chat?
And won't even touch the completely vapid comment that New England and ESPN are in league together. You have heard that the two of them don't get along so well. Obviously the Deflategate coverage was softened because they love us
They went out of their way to MAKE that a story when it wasn't...
I was upset when it "came out" about Ortiz, I still don't want to believe it but if you look at his career before landing in Boston it makes one scratch their head. ... but I always thought Manny was doing something.
You WANTED to believe Ortiz was on something, because he beat your brains in on a regular basis. But was tested often and never failed anything, so...? Just the Mitchell Report reference where he tested positive for
something that they couldn't even tell him when he asked about it. Were you upset when it "came out" that most of the Yankees from the 96-01 run were on the list? You are somewhat more quiet on that point
Manny, harder to defend. 100% doing them later on, no idea when it started. Was he doing things all along, or did he juice up later to try and fend off a decline? Impossible to say. Didn't fail until much later on, though (was he with the Dodgers at the time, or Tampa first? can't remember). never failed a test with the Sox, for what it's worth. So many designer drugs and shitty testing, so who knows if he was getting around it. Idiot-Savant with a bat, though; guy could mash. A-hole otherwise, though, so something to the Idiot thing.
I don't think they can keep roiders out of the Hall. I think they already put a couple in. Pudge is the most recent one. We'll see what happens this year.
I agree with that part, at least. Impossible to say who did and who didn't, or how that affected everyone else. Let some cheaters in, stand firm on others, it's just shitty. Especially the ones you keep out on innuendo, without a failed test. I say let them all in, unless it was SO blatant that you just can't stomach it. And then you just have an exhibit explaining the Steroid Era and that this went on. Can even publically shame a few of the big stars that were caught during it, but you move on. They let it happen, and were happy when Sosa and MacGuire saved baseball, but now want to shame them. Sosa is a good extreme example; wasn't that great, suddenly hit massive number of dingers for a couple years, popped for steroids and stopped taking them, immediately kinda sucked again. Bonds was good beforehand, so it's shitty that he cheated later on to get big. Clemens was great long before he juiced up, but maybe that's the explanation for why he looked like his career was dying and then suddenly he got a second wind after he left Boston? He was certainly around that massive list of other Yankees taking steroids in that period...
