Mirror, Mirror notes

[Scott Kellogg]

You know the interesting thing about Leonard Nimoy, as an actor, is that if you look at stuff where he's NOT playing the Spock Character, you see that he's very good at playing highly emotional characters.

There was a time I saw him in a play about Vincent Van Gogh. It was a monologue play, where he played Vincent's brother talking about his brother. It was a very emotional role. I've seen him in "Sea Hunt" back in the 1950s, and he was always playing the bad guy, either a traitor, or a murderer or something, but always with a very strong emotional role. A couple weeks back I saw him in "Highway Patrol" playing a panicked radiation worker who'd been exposed to Uranium dust. Again, a very emotional role.

Then, he got typecast as a Non-Emotional character.

No, wonder he wrote an entire book "I am Not Spock."

My guess is that the writers & producers of Star Trek realized Nimoy's acting strengths and gave him highly emotional roles. You rarely ever see any characters act as emotionally as Nimoy does. (And yes, that's what blows my suspension of disbelief, more than warp drives and genesis devices.)

Then again, my own pet theory on Shatner is that he's really a comedy actor who got typecast as the Dramatic Hero, but that's a whole other story.

Scott Kellogg

 

[Dukhat]

Actually, they're governed by whatever the writer says.

That is correct. And because of that, the writers are not bound by any kind of logic or sense that an actual alternate universe would theoretically entail.

 

[Swedish Borg]

That is correct. And because of that, the writers are not bound by any kind of logic or sense that an actual alternate universe would theoretically entail.

This is why not two MU are similar, on DS9 it starts as something mildly amusing and ends as something completely ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In this Sliders episode, The protagonists think they're finally back in their home universe until they see that the Golden Gate bridge is painted blue.

And is called the "Azure Gate Bridge", which cracks me the fuck up, since the real Golden Gate Bridge was NOT named for its color.

 

[fireproof78]

You know the interesting thing about Leonard Nimoy, as an actor, is that if you look at stuff where he's NOT playing the Spock Character, you see that he's very good at playing highly emotional characters.

There was a time I saw him in a play about Vincent Van Gogh. It was a monologue play, where he played Vincent's brother talking about his brother. It was a very emotional role. I've seen him in "Sea Hunt" back in the 1950s, and he was always playing the bad guy, either a traitor, or a murderer or something, but always with a very strong emotional role. A couple weeks back I saw him in "Highway Patrol" playing a panicked radiation worker who'd been exposed to Uranium dust. Again, a very emotional role.

Then, he got typecast as a Non-Emotional character.

No, wonder he wrote an entire book "I am Not Spock."

My guess is that the writers & producers of Star Trek realized Nimoy's acting strengths and gave him highly emotional roles. You rarely ever see any characters act as emotionally as Nimoy does. (And yes, that's what blows my suspension of disbelief, more than warp drives and genesis devices.)

Then again, my own pet theory on Shatner is that he's really a comedy actor who got typecast as the Dramatic Hero, but that's a whole other story.

Scott Kellogg

I would recommend reading the book "I Am Spock" to see more of his insight in to acting and how he viewed Spock from an actor's point of view. Yes, he was frustrated by the type casting, but also because he wanted to play Spock as a character whose emotions needed to be kept under tight control, not as unemotional.

 

[Hofner]

And is called the "Azure Gate Bridge", which cracks me the fuck up, since the real Golden Gate Bridge was NOT named for its color.

Ha, when I was a little kid, this confused me; 'Why is it called the Golden Gate Bridge if it's red?'

Robert

 

[Swedish Borg]

Ha, when I was a little kid, this confused me; 'Why is it called the Golden Gate Bridge if it's red?'

Robert

Or why is it called a "gate" if it's actually a bridge?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ It was named for the Golden Gate Ferry Company.

 

[Swedish Borg]

^ It was named for the Golden Gate Ferry Company.

That sounds like an advertisement.

 

[BK613]

"To this Gate I gave the name of 'Chrysopylae', or 'Golden Gate'; for the same reasons that the harbor of Byzantium was called Chrysoceras, or Golden Horn." - John C. Frémont, 1846

 

[ZapBrannigan]

"To this Gate I gave the name of 'Chrysopylae', or 'Golden Gate'; for the same reasons that the harbor of Byzantium was called Chrysoceras, or Golden Horn." - John C. Frémont, 1846

That's so funny. People thought "Golden Gate" should refer to the bridge physically and its color. I had the same experience with a piece of music! As a kid, I always thought "The Golden Horn" on John Barry's From Russia with Love album referred literally to a horn solo in the track:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Russia_with_Love_(soundtrack)#Track_listing

Decades later, I found out the song title referred to a waterway in Istanbul, where some of the film takes place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horn

 

[BK613]

@ZapBrannigan Well, I sailed through the Gate enough times...there was a tradition of tossing your cover* over the side when you passed under the bridge for the last time. They probably don't do that anymore.

*(hat, usually a white hat though ball caps were done on occasion)

 

[cgervasi]

I never got the impression that anyone besides the Captain had a "woman" of their own. RHIP = Rank has its privileges.

Marlena said she had Commander Kenno already lined up "to take [her] temporarily," so apparently commanders have similar arrangements to what Kirk had with Marlena.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Marlena said she had Commander Kenno already lined up "to take [her] temporarily," so apparently commanders have similar arrangements to what Kirk had with Marlena.

I always heard that line as Commander Kenner, whom I thought was named for the (then) very well-known toy company. When I heard Kenner as a kid, I thought toys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenner_Products

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe "Kenner" was a sly reference to Marlena functioning as a toy for Mirror Kirk, and potentially for the next man after that.

I hope someone has a shooting script to settle this. The fan transcripts are a fantastic resource, but like subtitles, they rely on someone's interpretation for ambiguous words.

 

[Hofner]

"To this Gate I gave the name of 'Chrysopylae', or 'Golden Gate'; for the same reasons that the harbor of Byzantium was called Chrysoceras, or Golden Horn." - John C. Frémont, 1846

Yes, I was confused as a kid but I eventually realized the name of the bridge came from the entrance to the bay being called the Golden Gate Strait.

Robert

 

[Noname Given]

You know the interesting thing about Leonard Nimoy, as an actor, is that if you look at stuff where he's NOT playing the Spock Character, you see that he's very good at playing highly emotional characters.

There was a time I saw him in a play about Vincent Van Gogh. It was a monologue play, where he played Vincent's brother talking about his brother. It was a very emotional role. I've seen him in "Sea Hunt" back in the 1950s, and he was always playing the bad guy, either a traitor, or a murderer or something, but always with a very strong emotional role. A couple weeks back I saw him in "Highway Patrol" playing a panicked radiation worker who'd been exposed to Uranium dust. Again, a very emotional role.

Then, he got typecast as a Non-Emotional character.

No, wonder he wrote an entire book "I am Not Spock."

My guess is that the writers & producers of Star Trek realized Nimoy's acting strengths and gave him highly emotional roles. You rarely ever see any characters act as emotionally as Nimoy does. (And yes, that's what blows my suspension of disbelief, more than warp drives and genesis devices.)

Then again, my own pet theory on Shatner is that he's really a comedy actor who got typecast as the Dramatic Hero, but that's a whole other story.

Scott Kellogg

Remember that the original concept for Spock was that he was the young hot headed lieutenant. Turning Vulcans into a race of emotionless stoic and completely logical beings was a change made after Leonard Nimoy was cast. Gene Roddenberry combined the logical characteristics of Number One into Mr. Spock's character after he agreed to get rid of the character "Number One"; because he wanted to keep that character aspect in the series somewhere.

 

[HarryM]

@ZapBrannigan Well, I sailed through the Gate enough times...there was a tradition of tossing your cover* over the side when you passed under the bridge for the last time. They probably don't do that anymore.

*(hat, usually a white hat though ball caps were done on occasion)

First time I sailed under it (on a cruise) the wind took my cap off my head and into the ocean...

 

[Swedish Borg]

Next time you'd better wear a chin strap.

 

[Spock's Barber]

You know the interesting thing about Leonard Nimoy, as an actor, is that if you look at stuff where he's NOT playing the Spock Character, you see that he's very good at playing highly emotional characters.

In the made-for-tv movie ‘Assault On The Wayne’ he plays a US Navy submarine commander who battles spies and saboteurs aboard his vessel. He really did an outstanding acting job!

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