Miranda Class???

[robjkay]

The Miranda Class, the name for this class has never been stated in any movie or episode which makes the name for this class non-canon. Also there has other configuration of this class which are the Lantree, Saratoga & Majestic.

So my question is how do we know that the Miranda Class is the correct name? and how do you know that the three configuration are not a new class of ship?

Also you have the Soyuz Class which was a configuration that was based off the Miranda. This Class is Canon being it was stated in TNG: Cause and Effect, so being the Soyuz is a canon class of ship how do we not know that the Miranda Clas is not part of the Soyuz class?

There is suppose to be several signage somewhere in the movies or episodes showing the name Miranda Class, has anyone seen any of these signages? Like a plaque, signage, something someone said, a chart or something on a computer display. It must be readable and cannot be a fan recreation.

Feel free to create a link to show.

Thanks

 

[USS Excelsior]

It was also stated that the Soyuz Class was out of service for more than 80 years. And the "Miranda" class is still in service, which implies that it's a different class although a similar ship.

Memory Alpha Quote:

The name Miranda-class was not mentioned in dialog on screen, but was devised by the art department of TNG to refer to this design. The name was used on several pieces of on screen signage referring to these vessels, and is also used by official references such as the Star Trek Encyclopedia.

 

[robjkay]

The Memory Alpha quote is what I was refering to which is has anyone found or seen the several pieces of on screen signage referring to these vessels which is Miranda Class? That way it would take the name and make it canon.

 

[captcalhoun]

it's on dedication plaques. whether they're visible in HD DVD play-back i've no idea.

 

[robjkay]

I cannot find anything visable on the plaques except fan recreations.

Does anyone have a visable plaque that says Miranda Class?

 

[robjkay]

My goodness, how many people consider themselves trekies of which nobody has info proving that the name Miranda Class exist....

 

[Mister_Atoz]

i've never liked the name Miranda Class and I'm dubious of the existence of these plaques since the Reliant bridge sets are just redresses of the Enterprise, and they didn't even change some of the tactical displays showings the enterprise.

 

[SeerSGB]

Mister_Atoz said:
i've never liked the name Miranda Class and I'm dubious of the existence of these plaques since the Reliant bridge sets are just redresses of the Enterprise, and they didn't even change some of the tactical displays showings the enterprise.

The Dedication plaque in "Night Terrors" (TNG) has "Miranda Class" listed on it. Someone with a HD should be able to read it, there's a clean shot of it about 2 minutes into the teaser that's fairly close.

 

[robjkay]

Well so far it would seem nobody has a clear shot of it. I have been looking for a clear shot of the Dedication plaque in "Night Terrors" (TNG)for the last couple of weeks and nobody has picture of it.

 

[SeerSGB]

Watch the episode on DVD, the teaser, Troi walks across in front of it. There's about a second where you get a nice clear line of sight of the plaque. With HD you could probably make it out readily.

Doesn't matter anyway, seeing as we have the word of the made who made it, and the fact that Paramount has accepted Miranda as the official class name.

 

[robjkay]

Well if I had the DVD and a HD TV I would, why do you think I was asking?

Just because Paramount supposedly has accepted the name of Miranda Class does not make it canon. Technically being the name Miranda Class was never stated in any episode or movie so it is a non-canon class of ship.

I also have not seen anything offical from whom ever made the ship outright say it was a Miranda Class. Guess thats why in the past this class of ship was also considered the Avenger Class & Reliant Class because there was nothing no official name for it.

 

[Unicron]

Paramount has specifically said it is the class name, and this has been supported by show staff who have worked on reference sources like the Encyclopedia. It was invented by the TNG art department for that show, and thus appears on some of the dedication plaques and signage. The fact that the term hasn't been used (yet) in spoken dialogue doesn't contradict that, just as the TOS-era Enterprise is not a "starship class" based on its plaque.

Or, as another example, the USS Pasteur in AGT is said officially to be an Olympic class (never mentioned in dialogue) even though its plaque says it is Hope class, because that was Mike Okuda's early name for the design.

I will look on TrekCore and see if I can find any caps that have the term visible, but I'm not sure.

 

[USS Excelsior]

I guess this would be the image to blow up.

 

[robjkay]

Well what Paramount says is not offially canon nor is the Encyclopedia.

You point out the plaque and other signage of which the Miranda Class appear. Maybe if you noticed I have been asking if anyone has any of these plaques and signage. But so far nobody has anything showing this!

I understand what you are saying, but I am not asking about other ships of which you can actually find pictures of the ships plaques of which is readable verifying that ships class. With the Miranda Class so far nothing has been found of a readable plaque except for fan-recreated plaques which is non-canon.

Also I have already looked at TrekCore, there is nothing there thats readable.

 

[SeerSGB]

What Paramount says is officially canon...okay I'll pop down to the 'Trek lit section and tell the Pocket Book writers they don't have to adhere to what Paramount says is and isn't canon.

Dude, Paramount is/was God of Star Trek-- still are of the movies. What they say is the way it is.

 

[Forbin]

Incidentally, FWIW, the Majestic wasn't any different than the stock Reliant/Miranda configuration.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I remember there was some sort of mild fan backlash in the late '80s or so when the Reliant was finally declared a Miranda-class vessel. Up until that point, some were calling it an Avenger-class ship and thought Miranda was lame.

Like it or not, though, Miranda is the official name of the class by TPTB--an ode to Shakespeare's "The Tempest," IIRC--and regardless if it's ever been mentioned onscreen, it's canon in this case. Soyuz-class is considered a variant of the Miranda-class, but an onscreen explanation could be that it was modified for a different or more specific type of mission than its parent class was.

Quite a few starship classes I think have never been officially named onscreen but we accept the designations given by the people who worked on the show and in the movies in various behind-the-scenes publications...

 

[robjkay]

As a matter of fact alot of Pocket Book writers do not adhere to ST canon or what Paramount says. Thats why books, or stuff like the Encyclopedia are not considered canon material being there are so many mistakes in them.

Now I am sure that Paramount considers the name Miranda Class official, but official and something thats canon are two different things. What ever Paramount thinks really does not really matter being its just an opinion not a fact. Yes at times when something is questionable there opinion would help to clears things up but at the same time it comtradict something that has been long standing canon.

Now I am not disputing the fact that there are other starships that have not been mentioned or have never been officially named onscreen. But I am not asking about other ships, just the Miranda Class. The reason for this is because there is a plaque shown for the Brittain and Saratoga and was wondering if someone ever ever got a clear picture of it kind of like other plaques for other ships which made them officially canon!

 

[Ace1701A]

First off, Robjkay, you come off very rude in your comments when people here are just trying to help answer your question.

Anyway, the fact is that Doug Drexler made this graphic for the Star Trek: Encyclopedia based on the original plaque in the show.
http://www.startreksite.com/plaques/ded_5.jpg


Memory Alpha has since transcribed it for easy reading: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Brattain_dedication_plaque

Everyone on this board has been very cordial in trying to provide you information, and you have replied with snarky comments such as

My goodness, how many people consider themselves trekies of which nobody has info proving that the name Miranda Class exist....

Well if I had the DVD and a HD TV I would, why do you think I was asking?

and

Maybe if you noticed I have been asking if anyone has any of these plaques and signage. But so far nobody has anything showing this!

If you don't believe that Drexler (mind you, not just "some fan") drew what the original looked like, then go whine about it someplace else.

 

[SeerSGB]

He's got the same thread running over at st.com. No matter what people say, he's not going to accept that (1) What Paramount says is canon/official is canon (2) That whether he likes it or not the canon name is "Miranda Class".