Miranda Class???
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Sorry about my last comment to you being I was in a hurry to do something.
I think I mis-stated myself. Yes I am sure books try to adhere to canon material. I guess what I mean is there are alot of books out the about ST to where the story line are really outlandish and are nowhere close to being canon.
Some of the books I am talking about are; all ST books written by William Shatner (like Capt's Glory, Captain's Blood, Captain's Peril and so on). The ST: Titan Books, or the Vulcan Soul Trilogy which is written by Josepha Sherman & Susan Shwartz (which are the most uncanon worst story line I have ever read) and how about Ship of the Line by Diane Carey.
Now maybe when writing these books they only have to adhere to things like not changing the name to Enterprise or the names to all the major crew members in ST and major stuff like that, but everything else is fair game. I mean there is nothing stopping someone writing a story there own story where it has nothing to do with any of the ST episodes or movies. Or bringing someone back from the dead, or having the most of the crew from TOS alive and well fighting on as a team after the dominion war.
I think I mis-stated myself. Yes I am sure books try to adhere to canon material. I guess what I mean is there are alot of books out the about ST to where the story line are really outlandish and are nowhere close to being canon.
Some of the books I am talking about are; all ST books written by William Shatner (like Capt's Glory, Captain's Blood, Captain's Peril and so on). The ST: Titan Books, or the Vulcan Soul Trilogy which is written by Josepha Sherman & Susan Shwartz (which are the most uncanon worst story line I have ever read) and how about Ship of the Line by Diane Carey.
Now maybe when writing these books they only have to adhere to things like not changing the name to Enterprise or the names to all the major crew members in ST and major stuff like that, but everything else is fair game. I mean there is nothing stopping someone writing a story there own story where it has nothing to do with any of the ST episodes or movies. Or bringing someone back from the dead, or having the most of the crew from TOS alive and well fighting on as a team after the dominion war.
All of the books do have to has consistant as possible with as much of the on screen Trek as possible. In fact that is one of the biggest rules for the authors, they cannot contradict anything that has appeared on screen. Some of them do tend to take things in their own but direction, but none of the books I've read (including the Titan books) contradict canon. Sorry if I'm being kinda snippy about this, it's just that I'm a huge fan of the Trek books, and it drives me crazy when people start ripping on them.
William Shatner's books take place in a parallel universe from the main series of Trek novels.
What about them isn't canon? The USS Titan was firmly established in Star Trek: Nemesis. It was said Riker was the Captain and Troi was leaving to go with him. Nothing that really contradicts canon (especially since TNG seems to be over in live action form).
How do you know that it didn't happen or that it violated canon? There is a LONG gap between Generations and First Contact.
No it's not. There are detailed rules and guidelines that affect their actions when writing the novels and CBS/Paramount can veto novels if they want. Stop by TrekLit sometime and ask as we have a great many of the writers of novels that actively post here.
i think we should all just leave this thread. the guy clearly has issues and is blatantly not listening to reason, so let's just all walk away and let him sit in the corner rocking back and forth and muttering 'it's not a Miranda' like the mental patient he clearly is.
Knock it off right now.
I always thought that meant the *simulator* was of that class, but the ship isn't. The simulator was built to resemble the Enterprise bridge, so it would make sense to call it that class of a simulator.
But even though the ship as seen in the first three films is heavily refit, it's still the same ship. How can a refit - however extensive - change the name of the class?
When Andrew Probert was designing the improved vessel for TMP, he referred to it as Enterprise class to reflect the fact that it was, for all practical purposes, a new design. It is true that the name has never been used in canonical dialogue, but the barely visible simulator text is the closest thing.
The bridge theory doesn't really suit me, since we've seen that many bridges have a fairly standardized design.
The bridge theory doesn't really suit me, since we've seen that many bridges have a fairly standardized design.
Pretty easily, if you change any component substantial enough that it rates as a ``new class'' to whatever the classification scheme is. For example, changing the type of engine could do it; a substantial change in carrying capacity or in range could do it; for that matter, the march of technology around the ship could do it. A ship with the power to be a dreadnought this generation could be a tender forty years from now.
The problem wouldn't even exist if TNG and STVI hadn't tied the refit and original config to the same class. About the only way to reconcile it is to call the Movie-Era design a subclass of the Constitution class starships. That or consider the refitted 1701 a one off member of the Enterprise Class (ala the CVN-65) and that the rest of the refit designs we see are new build Constitution Classes to the refit-spec...Or they were new build third or fourth generation Constitution Class ships that were more in line with the style of the Phase II proposed refit and they were upgraded from there.
I believe that was mentioned in First Contact.
Naah. "Sovereign class" was seen written in cat-sized letters on the display at the back of the bridge, but not mentioned in dialogue. Similarly, displays have featured the term "Oberth class" in easily readable font, but verbal references are still lacking. Of the hero ships, only "Galaxy class" ever got a verbal mention by the operating heroes themselves - the classes of the Enterprises 2, 3, 4 and 6 in UFP Starfleet service were not explicated in hero dialogue.
No problem with having two different classes both named "Constitution class" in the 2260s-2290s. Classes are often named after the first ship ordered, built, launched or commissioned. Refits of preexisting designs often get a class name according to the first refit that was completed, recommissioned etc. So Kirk's TOS ride could be from the (newbuild or refit) batch that was spearheaded by USS Constitution; his TMP ride was the first in the batch refitted to Enterprise standards; and his ST4-6 ship would be from another refit batch of which USS Constitution was again the first vessel to be (re)commissioned. Some naval sources today might add a bold "II" or a humble "(ii)" at the end of the latter class name to indicate that there were predecessors that might be confused with it, but not all sources would do that.
Timo Saloniemi
No problem with having two different classes both named "Constitution class" in the 2260s-2290s. Classes are often named after the first ship ordered, built, launched or commissioned. Refits of preexisting designs often get a class name according to the first refit that was completed, recommissioned etc. So Kirk's TOS ride could be from the (newbuild or refit) batch that was spearheaded by USS Constitution; his TMP ride was the first in the batch refitted to Enterprise standards; and his ST4-6 ship would be from another refit batch of which USS Constitution was again the first vessel to be (re)commissioned. Some naval sources today might add a bold "II" or a humble "(ii)" at the end of the latter class name to indicate that there were predecessors that might be confused with it, but not all sources would do that.
Timo Saloniemi
Fairly realistic, though. Take a bunch of successful naval vessels whose equipment becomes outdated; modify a few with hypermodern gear in an ultimately failed bold experiment; learn, and modify the rest more successfully with something less ambitious. The ambitious refit would use the most suited ship (say, one extensively damaged and thus in need of refit anyway, or one especially well preserved), while the less ambitious one would start systematically from the first ship built. Hence Constitution, Enterprise and Constitution (ii). (Already done by our very own aridas sofia and Todd Guenther, of course.)
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
the movie era E is a block III Constitution class. Block I was seen in The Cage, Block II was seen in the series. the Block Is were upgraded to II standard, whilst some latter Block Is were completed as IIs. all IIs were then upgraded to the IIIs in a Mid-Life Upgrade programme.
why follow ship building precendents? Why not follow aircraft building precendents?
why follow ship building precendents? Why not follow aircraft building precendents?
That works for me. Constitution class, but Enterprise subclass. Thus, calling them either name would be technically correct. So everybody wins.
