Micheal Jackson has died

[msbae]

I do not believe for a moment that MJ was a pedophile. I believe he loved kids -platonicily- I believe he may have done things with them -non sexual- that maybe isn't a good idea to do with non-related children at a certain age -like sleep in the same bed- but I don't believe he did any "bad touching" or sexual acts.

Any claims that he did couldn't be supported/backed up and were likely done to try and cash-in on his riches and fame.

People are going to be seeing him in truck-stops having coffee with Elvis for generations.

Yep... that's what I was thinking all day today...

Secret library of 100 songs could be released...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6584011.ece

Obama releases statement...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D992H4880&show_article=1

Rabbi Shmuley speaks his mind...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1245924935526&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

 

[TedShatner10]

Mike was infamously weird around children because he had his childhood disrupted by his abusive and tyrannical dad, he never went through to being properly mature like most other people do in their teens and twenties, so he had seriously faulty wiring all his adult life that fatally impeded his emotional and sexual interactions with other people.

The other Jackson siblings don't seem to be as seriously screwed up and were inducted into their music careers when they were relatively much older than their youngest brother, had more conventional sex lives (supposedly in front of Michael Jackson when he was still a boy). And not being in the white hot limelight that Michael was subjected to from when he was ten most certainly helped.

 

[Trekker4747]

Beautiful, beautiful thing LMP wrote there.

 

[tomalak301]

The bounce has started.

http://www.livehits.co.uk/

"Man in the Mirror" already #8 on the UK downloads chart. Posthumous #1 by Sunday?

EDIT: Now it's #2 on downloads, with several others closing in fast. MJ to lock out the top 5 I wonder?

I've been looking at the Itunes top albums charts and MJ is in every spot except for 9. I'm thinking about getting Bad maybe next week since I don't have that album and it's a great album. I'm then probably going towards the Essential Michael Jackson collection and picking and choosing.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I have this odd feeling that he planned this. He was heavily in debt....

So you're mad at other people for labeling him a pedophile, but you're assuming he committed suicide to get away from his responsibilities?

 

[Zulu Romeo]

The bounce has started.

http://www.livehits.co.uk/

"Man in the Mirror" already #8 on the UK downloads chart. Posthumous #1 by Sunday?

EDIT: Now it's #2 on downloads, with several others closing in fast. MJ to lock out the top 5 I wonder?

I've been looking at the Itunes top albums charts and MJ is in every spot except for 9. I'm thinking about getting Bad maybe next week since I don't have that album and it's a great album. I'm then probably going towards the Essential Michael Jackson collection and picking and choosing.

You know, I'm one of the few who has never owned "Thriller".

 

[Gryffindorian]

Beautiful, beautiful thing LMP wrote there.

It almost sounded as if Lisa Marie was guilty, guilty that she "failed" to help Michael, and she really shouldn't be feeling that way. I think if anything, Michael failed to help himself.

 

[NileQT87]

Though after knowing of stories of her with her father, the last years (imagine a 9-year-old trying to catch their 6'0" tall father from falling down) and how she was acting around his coffin (stroking his hair)... The last memory she has of her father is of him finding her on the grounds at 4 in the morning and tucking her in bed. When she woke up, he was dead and she was trying to get into the bathroom to see her dad.

I can definitely see how this is hitting her hard.

I've read other things about how she married Michael Jackson because he made her feel sorry for him and she wanted to help him. This finally illuminates it. She married him because she wanted to try to save him and because she related to him on a level that few others could. And of course, Michael ended up finally ending up very similar to how her father did. She's got to be feeling this REALLY bad, because it's not just one death of a loved one that she's thinking about.

A few other similarities:

The hospital spent over 30 minutes trying to save Elvis (who was already in rigor mortis). A nurse even asked why they were trying to save a corpse and the doctors said "Because it's Elvis". On the news yesterday I heard that they spent an hour after Michael had stopped breathing trying to save him.

Michael was planning his big comeback right before he died. His big tour was being all planned and ready to go. Michael was even working out and trying to get healthy enough for the tour (though was still very fragile). The day Elvis died, he was supposed to be leaving for another tour that evening. In the months before he died, he had been talking about firing the Colonel, getting rid of the Memphis Mafia and doing new things with his tour. He had even lost a ton of weight (he was down to about 210 pounds from his worst weight earlier that summer at 250--which is part of the reason he died--he took the medications on an empty stomach). It was also the first tour after the "betrayal" of his fired Memphis Mafia members (fired for beating up fans, by the way) coming out with a tell-all book. This lead to a lot of theories of him having committed suicide by saving up 3 days of medication and taking it all at once because he didn't want to face questions on tour and he didn't want fans feeling sorry for him. Of course, people have a problem with the suicide theory because they can't imagine him doing that to Lisa Marie and his ailing father, Vernon.

Both died after a long decline where they had both destroyed themselves. Neither had good people around them and both felt very lonely at the top. Lisa Marie is probably the only one who can possibly know what Michael's children are going through right now.

 

[stoneroses]

While I liked very little of 'his' music. I will not argue that he was a major influence for many artist both good and bad. Including even Stone Roses front man Ian Brown.
He had many problems some due to his dad and I think others due to he fact few said no to him and let him belive his hype.
I really hate that he owned the Beatles music there is no way he should have bought them and now I guess Sony will take control of them. i can never forgive him for that.

Did he do what alegations said he did with the children?, who knows the jury thought not. Now that is between him and his maker.
I don't think he was a Lennon et al he was an individual.

I myself am not heart broken about his death but on a human level it's sad.

I hope he finds peace.

 

[Trekker4747]

It almost sounded as if Lisa Marie was guilty, guilty that she "failed" to help Michael, and she really shouldn't be feeling that way. I think if anything, Michael failed to help himself.

True, but loving and caring people, will, tear themselves up if they fail to "help" or "save" somoene.

 

[Gil T.Azell]

And before this thread gets closed, remember the old joke? (It's sick when you think about it.)

What do Michael Jackson and McDonald's have in common?

.

What??

 

[Trekker4747]

And before this thread gets closed, remember the old joke? (It's sick when you think about it.)

What do Michael Jackson and McDonald's have in common?

.

What??

They both have fun playlands.

 

[Kirk's_Tights]

I have this odd feeling that he planned this. He was heavily in debt....

So you're mad at other people for labeling him a pedophile, but you're assuming he committed suicide to get away from his responsibilities?

Uh, no? I wasn't being serious when I typed that, I was being sarcastic because I know that is what the media will say. It's already been brought up. I just failed to use quotation marks to signify that I wasn't actually saying it as my own opinion but that it would be a huge issue in the media.

My bad, it was NOT meant as my own opinion of his death. Just wait, you'll start hearing BS about him ODing in pills because he was in debt. Guaranteed.

 

[RAMA]

I do not believe for a moment that MJ was a pedophile. I believe he loved kids -platonicily- I believe he may have done things with them -non sexual- that maybe isn't a good idea to do with non-related children at a certain age -like sleep in the same bed- but I don't believe he did any "bad touching" or sexual acts.

Any claims that he did couldn't be supported/backed up and were likely done to try and cash-in on his riches and fame.

The guy also went a wee bit overobard on the plastic surgery. Recent pictures of him... Not good. The man really did "spite his face."

Still, he was a legend. A pop, GOD. God, this is shocking, shocking stuff.

The guy was a freak and his "career" so far was just a matter of what stupid/nutty thing he was going to do next but the guy was still a legend.

People are going to be seeing him in truck-stops having coffee with Elvis for generations.

I agree, he became odd....his childhood made him do things later in life to create fantasies for kids and his associations with children gained scrutiny and finally led to a few ambitious adults to try and cash in on his fame. It seems really obvious to me. I find it sad that such serious charges basically ruined the rest of his life.

RAMA

 

[NileQT87]

I'm pretty much going with the theory that he was emotionally repressed to the point that he was a child in a 50-year-old's body. It's classic psychology given his background.

Often, people who are hit with instant-celebrity on an extreme level will not mature past the point when they became famous. This is the worst for child celebrities, of course. And we know how negative the adult influences in young Michael's life were. They basically created a man who never wanted to grow up and had more in common with children and severely damaged adults whom he could relate to (Lisa Marie being someone whose life has been a fishbowl since the day she was born and who experienced extreme emotional trauma at an early age). It's not difficult to figure out why Michael chose to be around the people he did.

 

[kythe]

I agree, he became odd....his childhood made him do things later in life to create fantasies for kids and his associations with children gained scrutiny and finally led to a few ambitious adults to try and cash in on his fame. It seems really obvious to me. I find it sad that such serious charges basically ruined the rest of his life.

RAMA

The only thing that is "obvious" is that Michael Jackson is exceedingly rich. If we start assuming the motives of those around him are always related to his wealth, it makes him invinceable, untouchable. He could get away with anything by this reasoning. He is wealthy to a point that people are willing to overlook suspicious behavior and serious charges when applied to him.

 

[Tulaberry whine]

Speaking of cash ins, I work in a supermarket (high flyer) and overheard a conversation with the store Manager talking to the Home & Leisure department Manager over the walkie talkie this morning, saying something like-
"I've just been told they're releasing a new CD all of his hits called King of Pop, so we better make some space for a display stand of the DVD/CD section"

I mean Jesus Christ. The guy died literally less than 12 hours earlier, and already the cash cow is getting milked

Eew - that album was released everywhere else last year to celebrate his 50th birthday.

 

[Tulaberry whine]

Sexual abuse claims are always hard to back up, even when the alleged perpetrator is not rich and famous. There are almost always no witnesses and no physical evidence. It's just one person's word against another, and a victim can be very damaged by making allegations due to the reputation they develop when they can't prove their case.

Of course, these are also precisely the reasons why somebody would be prepared to make false sexual abuse accusations against a rich and powerful person.

Moreover, whether the people involved are rich and famous or not, time and time again false allegations are much more damaging to the accused than the accuser. Especially when children are involved.

 

[NileQT87]

They still haven't counted the cash cow of Elvis' death. Those records were so poorly kept, he gets no credit for that onslaught of records sold (though it got him another #1 hit with Moody Blue--one of his two posthumous #1 hits). They had all the record pressers making nothing but Elvis records and working overtime to try to keep up with the demand--and records were selling out everywhere. Michael's death presents the same opportunity, as did Lennon's.

I imagine everyone who thinks they can make a buck on Michael's death will. They certainly won't be the first. It reminds me of the fact that Colonel Parker was more into how much money could be made rather than the fact that someone had just died. It was just another business opportunity. Where there is fame, there are users.

Colonel Parker wrote the book on how to be a using, conniving jerk manager with not a care in the world for the personal well-being of their talent (seriously, this was the guy who dunked a bed-ridden Elvis' head in ice water to get him on stage when Elvis should have been hospitalized). For the like-minded users, Michael's death is the best opportunity yet to make a buck. They've been waiting for this for years.

Michael can now be sold as the talented youth and his bizarre downward spiral. And everyone who ever knew him will be cashing in on their version of the story. Just you wait.

Sorry for bringing up Elvis, but I feel like I've seen this story before as far as the users and media blitz.

 

[kythe]

Of course, these are also precisely the reasons why somebody would be prepared to make false sexual abuse accusations against a rich and powerful person.

Moreover, whether the people involved are rich and famous or not, time and time again false allegations are much more damaging to the accused than the accuser. Especially when children are involved.

This is the type of reasoning I don't understand. First, there is the assumption that all unproven allegations are false. I also strongly disagree that it is the accused who is damaged when charges are considered unfounded. How? They go on living their lives, while the one making the allegations is now considered a liar by their peers and an unreliable witness in future legal cases.

Sexual abuse is rarely "proven" in court unless there were pictures. People can go to prison for life for having child porn on their computer, but have a real child claim they were touched and you will almost never see a conviction.

This is because children are considered easily manipulated, an idea was planted in their heads, an adult around them was using them to try to get back at another adult, etc. If a period of time lapsed between the alleged event and the actual charge, it can be said that it must not have been very important or the child would have told someone right away, or that the story had changed over the months/years.

There is a difference between an unproven allegation and a false allegation. It's just hard to recognize this in any given case.