Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Senator

[Rincewiend]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The dude is dead, who cares if he's a pedophile? He ain't coming back.

Well, he is back with a vengeance in the charts though...
Even here in The Netherlands...

 

[Amaris]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Here it is: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Senator

Meh, Pete King seems like any other self serving douchebag.


J.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Here it is: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Senator

Meh, Pete King seems like any other self serving douchebag.


J.

A GOP congresscritter, self-serving?!

 

[sidious618]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The dude is dead, who cares if he's a pedophile? He ain't coming back.

I care because my government wants to say what a nice guy he was. And he wasn't. Like the congressman says, if they want to say he was a dancer and okay singer then fine. It's not like they have important stuff to read before voting or anything.

What are you talking about? They did a moment of silence (and some Dem complained about it on the news so don't act like it's a Democrat conspiracy) and that was it.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Here it is: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Senator

Meh, Pete King seems like any other self serving douchebag.


J.

A GOP congresscritter, self-serving?!

I know it's a stretch, so work with me.

J.

 

[Colonel Green]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

He did pay off one of his accusers. Why pay them off if he did nothing wrong?

Inconvenient truth.

Meaningless. Everyone knows that he was fragile, there is every possibility that he just didn't want to go through a trial. You have no idea what his reasons were.

I'd also like to point out that the OJ/MJ parallel that some people are drawing isn't really valid. OJ, while acquitted, was found liable for the killings in a civil court. No court, criminal or civil, has ever ruled against Jackson.

Beyond that, there is also the fact that there is a TON of evidence linking OJ to the killings, while the MJ trial was essentially his word versus theirs. The judge in the trail stated something to the effect that he had seen no evidence that Jackson had molested the child, but had seen reams of evidence that suggested the child and his family were motivated by money and had a history of lying under oath.

God help you if YOU are ever the subject of false allegations of child abuse, it happens more often than you might imagine.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

He did pay off one of his accusers. Why pay them off if he did nothing wrong?

Inconvenient truth.

Meaningless. Everyone knows that he was fragile, there is every possibility that he just didn't want to go through a trial. You have no idea what his reasons were.

I'd also like to point out that the OJ/MJ parallel that some people are drawing isn't really valid. OJ, while acquitted, was found liable for the killings in a civil court. No court, criminal or civil, has ever ruled against Jackson.

Beyond that, there is also the fact that there is a TON of evidence linking OJ to the killings, while the MJ trial was essentially his word versus theirs. The judge in the trail stated something to the effect that he had seen no evidence that Jackson had molested the child, but had seen reams of evidence that suggested the child and his family were motivated by money and had a history of lying under oath.

God help you if YOU are ever the subject of false allegations of child abuse, it happens more often than you might imagine.

I personally think that the people who accused MJ just wanted his money. My whole outtake on this anyways is why would you let your child spend the night in his ranch anyways? No matter who the person was, I would never let my child spend the night if I didn't know them personally, if I had any children. I'm glad the court found MJ not guilty.

 

[exodus]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The dude is dead, who cares if he's a pedophile? He ain't coming back.

I care because my government wants to say what a nice guy he was. And he wasn't. Like the congressman says, if they want to say he was a dancer and okay singer then fine. It's not like they have important stuff to read before voting or anything.

The government has nothing to do with anybody's opinion on Michael Jackson.

 

[Amaris]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The dude is dead, who cares if he's a pedophile? He ain't coming back.

I care because my government wants to say what a nice guy he was. And he wasn't. Like the congressman says, if they want to say he was a dancer and okay singer then fine. It's not like they have important stuff to read before voting or anything.

The government has nothing to do with anybody's opinion on Michael Jackson.

Now you're just bringing facts into this conversation.


J.

 

[exodus]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

I care because my government wants to say what a nice guy he was. And he wasn't. Like the congressman says, if they want to say he was a dancer and okay singer then fine. It's not like they have important stuff to read before voting or anything.

The government has nothing to do with anybody's opinion on Michael Jackson.

Now you're just bringing facts into this conversation.


J.

How dare I, right!?

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The OJ case introduced DNA testing to the world, I don't think a lot of people on the jury trusted it. If that trial occurred today with a half-competent prosecution he'd be found guilty.

Well, a "half-competent prosecution" and investigation might have convicted him at that time.

All of the talk about the reliability of DNA testing and the supposedly "massive evidence" against Simpson just skirts the essential, real basis of the Simpson acquittal: the introduction of reasonable doubt about chain-of-custody of the evidence and of evidence tampering itself. Once that's a possibility in the minds of jurors, it doesn't matter if you have a literal mountain of evidence.

Not having sat on that jury I can't say for certain what they saw and heard. From everything I know about the trial, I'd have had to vote to acquit Simpson - and I'm pretty sure that he's guilty. It's just that "pretty sure" doesn't cut it.

The key word there is "reasonable" doubt.

What is more reasobable? A massive conspiracy involving hundreds of people working together to frame OJ for no logical or observable gain or benifit and that mis-handling and containment of evidence somehow made it appear to be OJs OR that OJ kille his ex-wife (he had a history of abuse against) and her beau?

 

[aftermath]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

His name is Pete King, and he's a Congressman (not a U.S. Senator).

It was just his personal opinion. We're all allowed that.

Here's mine: Pete King is a pedophile and should not be allowed to serve in Congress.

 

[Showdown]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

A lot of people said if he's innocent he'll fight the charges. Maybe, just maybe, Jackson settled because the victims lawyers said something like this.​

We don't care whether you're guilty or not. We represent our client. We are here to win. We'll make sure everyone thinks you're guilty before you step one foot in court.​

We will drag this whole mess out as long as we can. We will drag out your personal life through the mud. Your life, your family, friends, anyone connected to you are fair game.​

We will go on tv everyday and tell the world what a horrible monster you are. We will drag every child we can find that's willing to say you're a monster and put them on tv, radio, newspapers, magazines, and anything else.​

We find anything you have said in the past and twist them to make you look like a psychotic criminal.​

We will destroy you. In the court of public opinion, you're already guilty. Even if you win in court, you will lose. You will lose big. All your talent, all your good deeds will be forgotten. All everyone will think about, when they hear your name, is the monster we'll make you out to be.​

However, if you settle right now, we can all just walk away, and you can try to put this behind you. Your choice.​

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

I suspect it played out much like that. And it would have. Which is why it can be better (in the long run) to just settle.

 

[Gertch]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The dude is dead, who cares if he's a pedophile? He ain't coming back.

I care because my government wants to say what a nice guy he was. And he wasn't. Like the congressman says, if they want to say he was a dancer and okay singer then fine. It's not like they have important stuff to read before voting or anything.

The government has nothing to do with anybody's opinion on Michael Jackson.

Blah blah blah? What does that have to so with the proposed resolution?

Not to let facts get in yours, or anyone elses, way...
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/07/06/full-text-of-michael-jackson-resolution/

 

[sidious618]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Whoa, whoa, whoa a resolution?! My God, it's not like they pointlessly pass those all the time and they have no meaning whatsoever.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Why is Congress even wasting time on something like this? Don't they have real work to do?

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Why is Congress even wasting time on something like this? Don't they have real work to do?

Pffft.

It's not like the unemployment rate is spiraling up, the economy is limping along, a collapsing health-care system and we've got major military actions under-way.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

While I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, one of Jackson's big problems was that, even after being accused of such a heinous crime, he seemed to take no actions to prevent himself from being put in that exact same position with the exact same allegations. If you're accused of molesting children, you stop having sleepovers with them! His actions are not that of a reasonable person but of someone with a sexual compulsion who cannot take even the most basic steps to remedy his life.

I believe he used his fame & money to weasel out of some charges that would have completely torpedoed a normal person. Heck, I know of people who have been convicted of sexual offenses whose behavior was far less outlandish & reprehensible. (My aunt had a next door neighbor who was convicted of a "sex crime" simply because he got drunk one night and went out to pee in his front yard and an 8 year old girl just happened to be looking out her window from across the street when it happened.)

The OJ case introduced DNA testing to the world, I don't think a lot of people on the jury trusted it. If that trial occurred today with a half-competent prosecution he'd be found guilty.

Well, a "half-competent prosecution" and investigation might have convicted him at that time.

*Sigh* We need Jack McCoy.

Why is Congress even wasting time on something like this? Don't they have real work to do?

Eh. Every time they do something, they make it worse.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

I said it someplace else, and I'll say it here:

I must admit, although I loved Michael Jackson, even I have to admit that this is too much coverage-and I say this as a guy who grew up in the same era he became popular in. This kind of coverage is what drove Paul Jay to create The Real News Network-because he was so tired of what is passing for news these days ('I turn on the news and all I see is Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, and if I'm lucky on the third channel, the girl who drowned in a lake.') This coverage should be kept to Entertainment Tonight only, not CNN or any other channel-at least BBC World does this coverage a little bit, not a lot.