Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Senator

[timelord1010]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Now why did you have to bring the Democrats into this?

Because Congressional Democrats are pushing this resolution?

As for Michael Jackson, [snip] I would pay to make it go away.

Many people have unhappy childhoods and turn out just fine. But how many people have an alarm sound if someone is within 100ft of their bedroom? We know of one now. But that's not suspicious.

Jackson wasn't convicted of doing anything. How can you call him a pediphile? Were you there and seen him with your own eyes moleste a child? As for the Democrats pushing a resolution,who cares? The guy is dead. It's not like they are giving him a national holiday and you can't blame the democratic party for the actions of one or two people. That would be like blaming all the Republicans for Mark Sanford.


At the very least Michael Jackson was guilty of stupidity for being alone with the children.

 

[timelord1010]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Now why did you have to bring the Democrats into this?

Because Congressional Democrats are pushing this resolution?

As for Michael Jackson, [snip] I would pay to make it go away.

Many people have unhappy childhoods and turn out just fine. But how many people have an alarm sound if someone is within 100ft of their bedroom? We know of one now. But that's not suspicious.

From what I heard the resolution is honoring his contributions and music. Michael Jackson gave millions of dollars to charities around the world beginning in the 1980's (well before the molestation charges) and it was stated several times on the national news that he gave 20% of his income to charity.

Be honest for a minute. If you thought your children were molested what would you do? I would do what the Goldman family did against OJ Simpson: Let the criminal system run it's course and then file a civil suit.
There is no way I would take a settlement if someone molested my children (and I have two), I would want them in jail. After they were in jail them maybe go after the money if for no other reason than to take everything away from them like they took everything away from their victim. What the people that went after Michael Jackson were doing was motivated by greed.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Now why did you have to bring the Democrats into this?

Because Congressional Democrats are pushing this resolution?

As for Michael Jackson, [snip] I would pay to make it go away.

Many people have unhappy childhoods and turn out just fine. But how many people have an alarm sound if someone is within 100ft of their bedroom? We know of one now. But that's not suspicious.

From what I heard the resolution is honoring his contributions and music. Michael Jackson gave millions of dollars to charities around the world beginning in the 1980's (well before the molestation charges) and it was stated several times on the national news that he gave 20% of his income to charity.

Be honest for a minute. If you thought your children were molested what would you do? I would do what the Goldman family did against OJ Simpson: Let the criminal system run it's course and then file a civil suit.
There is no way I would take a settlement if someone molested my children (and I have two), I would want them in jail. After they were in jail them maybe go after the money if for no other reason than to take everything away from them like they took everything away from their victim. What the people that went after Michael Jackson were doing was motivated by greed.

There are also countless problems in the MJ case that all point to his favor. The "victims" and their family were incosistant and known to perjury.

People like to compare MJ's case to OJ but, really, there's no comparisson. I've no idea what happened in the OJ case, the jury must've all been idiots or star-struck as the evidence against OJ was incredible. There were also plenty of problems with the way the prosecution handled the case and, honestly, with the way LE collected evidence and performed the investigation.

Still, the forensic evidence against OJ is staggering. Somehow his lawyers generated "a doubt" (not a "reasonable doubt", however) and he got off.

MJ? Against him: Inconsistant stories, conflicting stories, no hard-evidence and witnesses in his favor.

Not. Comparable.

 

[bigdaddy]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

its a tricky one, the courts may not have found him guilty but plenty of people still think he is guilty (decent chance he is) im not sure I would want the US government to honour someone with such a cloud over him.

Yes because the courts are never wrong and OJ never killed his exwife!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Is there any question of an official government commemoration, here?

If there isn't and no laws are being violated, then King's opinion of whether private citizens want to honor a pedophile is not terribly important since he doesn't get to vote on it.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

its a tricky one, the courts may not have found him guilty but plenty of people still think he is guilty (decent chance he is) im not sure I would want the US government to honour someone with such a cloud over him.

Yes because the courts are never wrong and OJ never killed his exwife!

OJ Simpson was found not guilty by a court of law and a jury of his peers. I would even go so far as to disagree with the civil case against him being allowed as I believe double jeopardy should apply.

This may very well show up flaws in the American justice system, but that's tough. Unless a person can be proven to have committed a crime to the satisfaction of a jury then that person is automatically innocent. Any other system carries with it a lot more danger than letting OJ Simpson walk.

 

[exodus]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Yes, burn Michael Jackson at the stake but admire Jerry Lee Lewis.

 

[FordSVT]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

so tha means OJ is innocent too.

The difference here is that the evidence against OJ is incredible -including butnot limited to blood evidence- and he only got off because of ineptness of the prosecution and hocus-pocusery of his lawyers. Very, VERY different cases and cannot be compared. No matter how much people want to draw this line -and have over the last week and a half.

There was NO evidence against Michael, just claims from witnesses of questionable integrity and motive.

And he also lost the wrongful death civil case that did find him guilty, so that's a big point against his credibility.

 

[FordSVT]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Because Congressional Democrats are pushing this resolution?

Many people have unhappy childhoods and turn out just fine. But how many people have an alarm sound if someone is within 100ft of their bedroom? We know of one now. But that's not suspicious.

From what I heard the resolution is honoring his contributions and music. Michael Jackson gave millions of dollars to charities around the world beginning in the 1980's (well before the molestation charges) and it was stated several times on the national news that he gave 20% of his income to charity.

Be honest for a minute. If you thought your children were molested what would you do? I would do what the Goldman family did against OJ Simpson: Let the criminal system run it's course and then file a civil suit.
There is no way I would take a settlement if someone molested my children (and I have two), I would want them in jail. After they were in jail them maybe go after the money if for no other reason than to take everything away from them like they took everything away from their victim. What the people that went after Michael Jackson were doing was motivated by greed.

There are also countless problems in the MJ case that all point to his favor. The "victims" and their family were incosistant and known to perjury.

People like to compare MJ's case to OJ but, really, there's no comparisson. I've no idea what happened in the OJ case, the jury must've all been idiots or star-struck as the evidence against OJ was incredible. There were also plenty of problems with the way the prosecution handled the case and, honestly, with the way LE collected evidence and performed the investigation.

Still, the forensic evidence against OJ is staggering. Somehow his lawyers generated "a doubt" (not a "reasonable doubt", however) and he got off.

MJ? Against him: Inconsistant stories, conflicting stories, no hard-evidence and witnesses in his favor.

Not. Comparable.

The OJ case introduced DNA testing to the world, I don't think a lot of people on the jury trusted it. If that trial occurred today with a half-competent prosecution he'd be found guilty.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The OJ case introduced DNA testing to the world, I don't think a lot of people on the jury trusted it. If that trial occurred today with a half-competent prosecution he'd be found guilty.

Well, a "half-competent prosecution" and investigation might have convicted him at that time.

All of the talk about the reliability of DNA testing and the supposedly "massive evidence" against Simpson just skirts the essential, real basis of the Simpson acquittal: the introduction of reasonable doubt about chain-of-custody of the evidence and of evidence tampering itself. Once that's a possibility in the minds of jurors, it doesn't matter if you have a literal mountain of evidence.

Not having sat on that jury I can't say for certain what they saw and heard. From everything I know about the trial, I'd have had to vote to acquit Simpson - and I'm pretty sure that he's guilty. It's just that "pretty sure" doesn't cut it.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Here it is: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Senator

Bravo to the Congressman. There is no need to honor this creep who likes to give children not his own wine and then sleep with them. I understand the Democrats trying to normalize his deviant behavior in society. But we don't need to give in to it.

Let the pedophile rest in peace as we remember that OJ was never convicted of murder either.

If you think Democrats are trying to normalize child molestation, you don't understand much about anything. And you don't know that MJ was a molestor any more than TrekBBS knows that you are one.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

If you think Democrats are trying to normalize child molestation, you don't understand much about anything.

QFT - and a pretty funny contention on Gertch's part, considering that most politicians caught in sex scandals of every kind in the last decade have not been Democrats.

He may be confused by the tendency of FOX News to misidentify GOP politicians as Democrats when they get caught in their zippers.

 

[Gertch]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

If you think Democrats are trying to normalize child molestation,

That's not what I said nor believe.

you don't understand much about anything.

Didn't mean to hurt you.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

And he also lost the wrongful death civil case that did find him guilty, so that's a big point against his credibility.

The case that shouldn't have happened, you mean ?

 

[Gertch]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

If you think Democrats are trying to normalize child molestation, you don't understand much about anything.

QFT - and a pretty funny contention on Gertch's part, considering that most politicians caught in sex scandals of every kind in the last decade have not been Democrats.

He may be confused by the tendency of FOX News to misidentify GOP politicians as Democrats when they get caught in their zippers.

Less about the poster and more about the subject. This isn't tnz.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

Less about the poster and more about the subject.

I imagine you're a moderator somewhere.

Probably the most prominent pedophile currently associated with a major political party in this country is Republican Mark Foley. Not a Democrat, but certainly someone that prominent conservative politicians and talkers from Ann Coulter to O'Reilly, Drudge and other GOP lawmakers were quick to defend at the time.

Of course, the way these moralizing Righty politicians go it's probably not too long before something embarrassing will turn up under King's bed as well.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

its a tricky one, the courts may not have found him guilty but plenty of people still think he is guilty (decent chance he is) im not sure I would want the US government to honour someone with such a cloud over him.

Where's the proof though? The courts found him not guilty. I think it was just people who wanted his money. Which I don't understand why, since he was $400 million in debt or whatever. Besides, no matter what people think of MJ (who I am a fan of), it's the parent's fault for letting kids spend a night in a place like that in the first place. If I had children, I may let them visit but I would never let them spend the night.

 

[Bad Bishop]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

He did pay off one of his accusers. Why pay them off if he did nothing wrong?

Inconvenient truth.

 

[sidious618]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The dude is dead, who cares if he's a pedophile? He ain't coming back.

 

[Gertch]

Re: Michael Jackson A Pedophile, Should Not Be Honoured, Says U.S. Sen

The dude is dead, who cares if he's a pedophile? He ain't coming back.

I care because my government wants to say what a nice guy he was. And he wasn't. Like the congressman says, if they want to say he was a dancer and okay singer then fine. It's not like they have important stuff to read before voting or anything.