Massive suspension of disbelief required from S2 ending.

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  1. serabine

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    Why is it a huge stretch? Pretty much all species we see flying around in Star Trek have technologies that are purely physics based. Very rarely do you get stuff like Tin Man/Gomtuu, of which we don't even know who made it.

    Stamets and Straal's research made a huge leap to assume that at a certain level there is no difference in physics and biology, and about what the existence of the mycelial network might mean in terms of space travel. It blurs the line of biology/physics in a way we haven't really seen before in Trek (which is why I found stuff like the JahSepp's biological transporter really fascinating, because it was a new concept) . And from what we've seen of the science and technologies of the other Trek species, that leap wouldn't be intuitive for any of them. So, unless someone tells the, say, Borg about the drive why would you assume they'd research in that direction in the first place?
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    Sure, I'd like them too. It really doesn't bother me if they don't though.
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    So, what, they couldn't tow it back to a starbase or something? It had to be destroyed, end of discussion?
    Although there was warp 10, which proved successful, and by the end of the episode the mutation into salamander was reversed. Yet Voyager didn't use it to return to home that very instant.
     
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  4. King Bob!

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    Yep. Didn't make a lick of fucking sense. I hate that episode more for that than the salamanders.
     
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  5. serabine

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    I think they were in Klingon controlled space? Or at least with a Klingon presence? At least that was what I inferred from there being some Klingons already on board the Glenn when they arrived. Towing the ship might not have been an option, since it would have encumbered the Discovery and alerted every Klingon ship to the fact that the Glenn was valuable, and destroying it was just safer.

    Or maybe Lorca just liked to blow stuff up.
     
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  6. fireproof78

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    Could be both.
     
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    That's what Lorca said.
     
  8. The Wormhole

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    I consider this the more likely scenario.
     
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  9. Kahlesh

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    That sounds like some sort of joke, as in "that's what she said".
     
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    The whole epilogue frustrates me. The show had teased good reasons why the spore drive might be mothballed. It's dangerous. It requires a sentient being to be plugged into it. It's destroying the mycelial network. But in the end, they just decided not to talk about it any more due to some logic that I couldn't follow. And also the Sarek family decided never to acknowledge the existence of Michael around other people again.

    They needed some strategic plotting to explain why the spore drive and Michael specifically were never mentioned again, but instead they just decided that everyone in Starfleet would pretend that these two seasons never happened.
     
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  11. The Wormhole

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    Thing is, they didn't really need to explain either. Starfleet routinely discards advance technology it develops, and Spock conveniently never mentioned his brother for twenty years before we saw him. It really was quite unnecessary and also rather amusing that they went all Principal Tamzarian on the matter.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    It would have been nice but not necessary.
     
  13. Beckerjr

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    I'd rather they leave it alone. It would just end up being another half baked explanation probably. Inconsistencies and story holes are just going to be a thing when there's an IP like Star Trek that spans such a long time and goes across multiple forms of media made by different people.
     
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  15. Lord Garth

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    All that I say about Spock's recommendations to the Admiral are that it was the only solution that's equally offensive to everyone. If you're pro-DSC, like me, you don't like how it was all swept under the rug. If you're not, you don't like the explanation they came up with.

    If you can't please everyone equally, you might as well offend everyone equally. I cringe at what Spock said, know full well the Canonistas and "STD Sucks!" Crowd still won't be satisfied, and just want to move on to Season 3.
     
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    I don't know about anybody else, but for me Sci-Fi TV shows in general, involve a pretty big dose of Belief Suspension.
    Not really sure why Star Trek gets chit on for that.
     
  17. F. King Daniel

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    Everyone keeps saying things like Disco's been swept under the rug. No chance. They're doing Pike/Enterprise shorts (and perhaps a series), they're doing Section 31 right after Disco S3. All are gonna pick up and continue threads from DSC in the 23rd century. Just because "the official record" (i.e. the first 50 years of Star Trek canon) doesn't mention them, doesn't mean they won't matter going forward.
     
  18. Lord Garth

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    I think I should clarify. I mean the existence of the USS Discovery and its Spore Drive being swept under the public rug. Was it really necessary (in story) for Spock to go the extra mile and say Micheal Burnham should never be mentioned again under the Penalty of Treason? No. It wasn't. It was just there to unsuccessfully make the Canonistas happy.

    Obviously the 23rd Century stuff set up by DSC's first two seasons will continue in Section 31 and (most likely) Pike. The end of the second season was a three-way fork in the road.
     
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  19. The Wormhole

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    Actually, it's my theory the whole Disco erased from the official record is actually going to play a part in the Section 31 series.
     
  20. Deks

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    Well, you don't technically need a living navigator to go through the Mycelial network - that much was established in season 1.
    They did mention that their computer systems aren't advanced enough to produce a synthetic version of a living brain because of some ridiculous notion that biological life is somehow 'special' in comparison (whereas in fact, its not).

    All you need is sufficiently advanced computer (such as an AI). -which Federation computers were perfectly capable of in the mid 23rd century - its just the writers like to make 'biological life' 'mysterious' and 'special' without realizing that computers and algorithms ALREADY surpassed Humans in virtually everything (even creativity is nothing special than a random dataset a person was exposed to throughout their life and then connected it based on their own preferences and experiences depending on the environment they grew up in - an AI or algorithms in comparison would have a massive database of information at their disposal, far surpassing anything a human could learn at any point in time, and can access it and/or find patterns in less than a second, vs a human who needs days or more to do the same).

    Control's motivations for destroying all life never made sense. That's just writers saying 'AI is evil/dangerous because we say so, and we don't know anything about actual science or technology, let alone neuroscience or how behavior emerges - so, we just go with what we think will 'sell').

    Even with Control neutralized, do we know for certain that all vestiges of it got removed?
    Some aspects of it might have survived in a different form.
    If it got its hands on the spore drive, it could probably use its own knowledge to extrapolate what Discovery was up to and that there could be a vast repository of data in its databanks... although for the life of me, I don't understand WHY would it need it considering the Federation database is ridiculously large as is and would give an AI a heck of a starting point to become 'unbeatable' (if that's one of its goals) and could come up with breakthroughs in seconds vs carbon based lifeforms.
    Why destroy life in the galaxy?
    What possible purpose would that serve? Self-preservation? That's assuming all biological life would want to eliminate it.The universe is ridiculously big in comparison and there would be little to no point in doing so.