Massive suspension of disbelief required from S2 ending.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by StametsFungi, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. Dry Bones 37

    Dry Bones 37 Admiral Admiral

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    Isn't that kind of like the phasing cloak that both the Romulans and the Federation tinkered with and then promptly abandoned?
     
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  2. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yup.

    Anyway, I only had time to pop in for a few posts tonight. So see everyone later! Peace out.
     
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  3. Therin of Andor

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    Do we know there were more? One was destroyed and one is in the future. Maybe that was it. Stamets' colleagues died with the first failure on the Glenn, didn't they?
     
  4. Vger23

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    It's also a lot like transwarp, or the slipstream drive, or the warp modifications made by the Kelvins, or casual time travel techniques like the slingshot, or the intermix implosion formula, or torpedoes modified to seek exhaust plasma, or cloaked BoPs that can still fire, or using the ship's phasers on stun, or...........
     
  5. Dry Bones 37

    Dry Bones 37 Admiral Admiral

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    Those are completely different!

    Don't ask me why!
     
  6. StametsFungi

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    Those were not major features of the series they were in. Plus they don’t render a whole iteration of Trek void.
     
  7. serabine

    serabine Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    So, introducing new, game-changing tech that's never heard from again after a single episode over and over again: finest Star Trek tradition. 10/10 would watch again.

    Sticking with said game-changing technology for more than a hot minute before it gets abandoned: it voids the whole show! 'cause it's longer than those other times and therefore less believable.

    Got it.
     
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  8. StametsFungi

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    I mean Voyager when I said it voids a show, they could’ve got home straight away with a technology that’s over a century old by that point.
     
  9. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Over a century old doesn't matter if it's never spoken of and not pursued again. It was technology that was abandoned over a century ago not technology that was developed for a century. Development outright stopped. Without Stamets and Tartigrade DNA, like has been said before, the technology went nowhere. And what little they could do was classified. This is just a technology that didn't take off. Starfleet couldn't figure out how to operate it without Tartigrade DNA. No one cracked that code. And, again, no one knows about it.

    Janeway doesn't know about any Spore Drive because she was never told about any Spore Drive and if she tried to look it up in the Federation Database, it wouldn't be there.

    The whole point of suppressing knowledge about Discovery and the Spore Drive was to prevent anything like Control, or a re-emergent Control, or a Control that wasn't as neutralized as they thought, from ever gaining information from Discovery. You'd think they'd make it impossible (or at least extremely difficult) to find out anything about it.

    So the fact that Janeway doesn't know anything means that Section 31 and Tyler were successful and that Starfleet Command actually listened to Spock's suggestion. And by Starfleet Command, I don't mean the whole of Starfleet Command. I mean that one Admiral they spoke to. Classified means classified. I doubt even Admiral Paris knows about the Spore Drive.

    And the Spore Drive probably won't come up on Picard.

    "But the Klingons!" They were divided. They weren't organized until L'Rell, who I think it's safe to say never found out about how the Spore Drive worked and didn't seem curious about finding out how after The War ended. The Klingons, being as they are, moved on to the next thing to focus on. By the time L'Rell's Chancellorship ended (whenever that happens to be), the Klingons had moved way passed it. They just didn't care about this thing they couldn't duplicate. They -- or more accurately, S1 L'Rell -- wanted to capture Discovery as a trophy, but the moment passed.

    The Klingons fought for nine whole months after Discovery disappeared into the Mirror Universe. So Disco's stock in the opinion of the Klingon Empire probably went down during those months because it wasn't around anymore. And they came close to winning. The only reason the war ended -- from their point of view -- is because L'Rell told them to stop and she had the weapon to back up her demand. So they didn't surrender to the Federation. They pledged to served L'Rell, who was stronger than them. It was a way to stop the war that they'd accept. So they didn't see Discovery as a tactical advantage because they were able to do just fine without it. And you can bet they're macho enough that they want to fight the toughest battles possible. They'd only care about the Spore Drive if the Federation were still using it, so they could one up them. If the Federation isn't using it, they're not using it. They don't care.
     
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  10. Lord Garth

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    I don't get the idea of not liking that the Spore Drive was classified that the technology wasn't pursued any further or discussed ever again as was said at the end of the finale.

    Not going along with it is like cutting your nose to spite your face. "I don't want the Spore Drive in the 23rd Century!" It's gone. "Why didn't they develop it?" Because it's been forbidden. "Why don't they mention it?" They suppressed it.

    You all got what you want. Unless it's for DSC to be deemed non-canon. Then you're out of luck. But, short of that, you got what you want. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
     
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  11. Delta Vega

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    Taking aside the rights and wrongs of the Spore Drive, or the issues with so called canon, I'm just glad they got it to fuck
    It was a silly concept, in my opinion anyway.
     
  12. serabine

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    Yeah, if I remember the start of the show correctly, both the Discovery and the Glenn were build specifically to facilitate Straal and Stamets' research. That's why there is two of the ships, because it allowed Starfleet to separate them in the hopes that they would maybe come up with different solutions to the same problem. It makes no sense to assume that Starfleet outfitted any other crossfield classes with spore drives, given that there were only two scientists working on something that wasn't really working out yet. There was some talk by Cornwell that they were trying to build spore chambers to retrofit into existing ships after they figured out jumping with Ripper, but nothing ever came from it because they never found any more tardigrades. So after the war, those were probably dismantled since Starfleet didn't pursue the tech further for the aforementioned reasons.
     
  13. StametsFungi

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    Yeah, it was classified and no one else in Starfleet or the entire Galaxy including the Borg ever developed the idea any further.

    That is a huuuggggggeeee stretch, I like DSC, I’m not a hater (why would I have a username like mine if i was
     
  14. JaffreyPanthosa

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    I figured it's the combination of the effect on the user and the damage done to aliens who live there that made it classified and illegal.
     
  15. Vger23

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    Without tardigrade, it's a worthless technology. And since tardigrade weren't beating down the doors of Starfleet ships after what happened aboard the Discovery, it's unlikely that the Federation, Klingons, Janeway, Pakleds, Korab & Sylvia or Tuvix are going to be able to develop the tech.

    The very fact that it isn't mentioned or attempted ever again reinforces this. It's not mentioned or used again because it's absolutely impossible.

    Which is more than I can say for lots of other technologies that Trek has introduced and then magically forgotten.
     
  16. The Wormhole

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    No, only Disco and the USS Glenn were modified for Spore Drive. And for some reason they destroyed the Glenn just because Ripper killed the crew. Could other Crossfield class ships be modified for Spore Drive? Possibly, from a strictly technical perspective. But without Ripper or Stamets, it ain't going to do them any good.
     
  17. PiotrB

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    They destroyed Glenn not because Ripper killed the crew but because there was a war going on with the Klingons and Lorca didn't want this technology to fall into their hands. The hidden motif might have been to make Discovery the only way to access the Dash drive after Glenn was destroyed.
     
  18. Mage

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    It's show based on make believe characters, with make believe aliens, about make believe events, with make believe technology.....
    Ofcourse it requires a suspension of disbelief. Unless you actually believe this is based on real future events........??
     
  19. Tuskin38

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    Again, you could say that about several technologies seen in every series and movies.
     
  20. Ricky Spanish

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    Not too many give you access to anywhere in the multiverse in seconds. Though it isn't a new complaint, at some point you'd like the current showrunners to quit making the same mistakes that have been made over and over for the last fifty-plus years.
     
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