Marvel/Netflix Daredevil Season 1

[Guy Gardener]

If this was a story, I'd think that the agent was the leak.

Bullseye was Hawkeye in Normal Osborn's S.H.I.E.L.D. (Ney H.A.M.M.E.R.) sanctioned Avengers for a time.

 

[Thestral]

My god Marvel, that would've been a massive get. Wow.

 

[Christopher]

Nice going, the Internet.

 

[Tosk]

Meh, I'm kinda glad. I don't hate Statham, just glad he (probably) won't be Bullseye. He doesn't look like a Lester.

 

[Trekker4747]

Wow. Fascinating. He would have been great to have.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wait? What? Directors cut? Ellen Pompeo? What? What?

I wonder how Deborah is going to get along with the actor, whosoever he may be, who is destined to kill her?

Another interesting thing about Bullseye (that was reversed later on) was that he also had an unbreakable adamantium skeleton, just like Wolverine. I'm wondering if Fox would toss their toys if they lost the adamantium Skeleton monopoly?

(google, google... )

Fox owns Adamantium. Caps shield is made of Vibranium.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Yeah, Fox has Adamantium. He only got the Adamantium skeleton after Daredevil dropped him from a high height when he killed Elektra. Even then, it's never really come up. I think Denny O'Neil somehow thought it would be a cure for paralysis.

 

[The Old Mixer]

And that right there is a good example of where something first appeared not determining which studio owns the rights to it...since Adamantium was introduced in a late-60s Avengers story.

 

[Tosk]

Yeah that...and Wolverine himself, who was introduced in Incredible Hulk.

 

[The Old Mixer]

True dat!

 

[Christopher]

Yeah, Fox has Adamantium.

But Marvel Studios still has vibranium, and seems to be using it as an equivalent of adamantium. Which makes sense, because in the comics, apparently, adamantium was created in an attempt to recreate the unique vibranium-based alloy of Captain America's shield.

 

[Relayer1]

Statham is out, apparently because of yesterday's leak...

I don't get the love for Statham. He's a thoroughly rotten actor and keeping him out of Daredevil seems to be something of a result...

 

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, Fox has Adamantium.

But Marvel Studios still has vibranium, and seems to be using it as an equivalent of adamantium. Which makes sense, because in the comics, apparently, adamantium was created in an attempt to recreate the unique vibranium-based alloy of Captain America's shield.

Yeah, that's how I always understand it, with Adamantium -by and large- being stronger than vibranium although there's several different varieties of it -one being what Wolverine has that that doesn't interfere with biological processes while remaining near indestructible. The MCU does seem to be using vibranium as a "catch all" for the fictional Marvel metals, though I was sort-of expecting AoU to have Ultron making a new metal based of vibranium that was said to be even stronger, but was never given a name. Hell, they could have eventually called it Ultronanium and said it was stronger than vibranium and for all intents and purposes was adamantium.

It's crazy that Fox can "own" the name of a fictional metal in a fictional universe that in the grand scope doesn't mean anything. Usually copyrights are there to protect the owners from losing any revenue by the erosion of the material from "unauthorized" uses of it. So Fox would be hurt by other uses of the X-Men characters in movies as it's diminish the value of their own movies. A copyright they have the right to and to protect. Hence the hurdles needed to be gone through to get Spider-man into the MCU.

But I don't see how using the word "adamantium" to describe a metal in a fictional universe to hand-wave away extreme uses of the metal as eroding Fox's use of the X-Men and related properties. Seems they'd be unharmed by adamanitum being used in the MCU. So why the protection?

 

[Relayer1]

Or Marvel could have a metal called ademandium, which you never see written down...

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Adam Ant-ium

 

[Guy Gardener]

In comics Cap's shield is an adamantium/vibrium alloy. Adamantium is something different that has nothing to do with Vabrium (unless there's been a retcon I didn't notice.).

The only time I've every really seen the Vabrium used, and referenced as a specific vabriumcentric attribute of the shield, is once in West Coast Avengers (he was visiting) is when Captain America jumped off a six story building, standing on his shield, and used the vabrium to muffle the collision with the ground which should have turned the sentinel of liberty into paste.

Of course every time the Hulk punches Captain America's shield while Cap is holding it, and Steve doesn't sail over the horizon, that's the vabrium working.

After he was defrocked by President Reagan's stooge council of Super Human Affairs, Steve took on the identity of "The Captain" after handing back his shield and uniform to "The American people" (The stooges), Captain Rogers went to his pal Tony Stark to make him a new shield which turned out to be pure vabrium with no Adamantimum in it all.

I'm assuming that this was the SHIELD that USAgent wound up with.

 

[Trekker4747]

I thought in the comics the shield is vibranium and steel, not adamantium.

EDIT - Checking Wiki:

It says that his shield was originally said to be made of vibranium, an "experimental" iron alloy and an unknown catalyst. Seems it was later revealed the "experimental iron alloy" was "Proto-Adamanitum" which is stonger than True-Adamantium.

Further experiments with Proto-Adamanitum created True-Adamantium.

Other forms of adamanitum is "Seconday-Adamantium" which is, essentially, a cheaper knock-off of adamanitium and while is very strong can be broken/damaged.

Then there's Beta Adamantium, which occurred when it reacted with Wolverine's mutant healing powers, this change allowed the adamanitum to fuse with Wolverine's skeleton and make him nearly indestructible while the metal didn't interfere with the biological properties of bone.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Eh...FOX can have their MarySuenium.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I thought in the comics the shield is vibranium and steel, not adamantium.

EDIT - Checking Wiki:

It says that his shield was originally said to be made of vibranium, an "experimental" iron alloy and an unknown catalyst. Seems it was later revealed the "experimental iron alloy" was "Proto-Adamanitum" which is stonger than True-Adamantium.

Further experiments with Proto-Adamanitum created True-Adamantium.

Other forms of adamanitum is "Seconday-Adamantium" which is, essentially, a cheaper knock-off of adamanitium and while is very strong can be broken/damaged.

Then there's Beta Adamantium, which occurred when it reacted with Wolverine's mutant healing powers, this change allowed the adamanitum to fuse with Wolverine's skeleton and make him nearly indestructible while the metal didn't interfere with the biological properties of bone.

I'm guessing that 15 years ago someone (Peter Sanderson?) tried to explain the inconsistencies in Adamantium over the years, and in the 15 years since that happened, you were the third person to look that shite up.

Adamantium was first used by Marvel in Avengers #66 when Hank Pym invented Ultron, so anything claiming to be Adamantium before 1967 is a retcon.

Here's the tricky bit.

Myron MacLain who invented Caps shield, didn't know that Immortus (The mayor of time) added adamantium to the magic alloy that he was inventing while it was cooling over night, and that is why Myron could never replicate the shield, although trying to work out what the hell the shield was and how he'd made it, was probably how he went on to invent adamantium decades later.

Of course I can't verify that memory with google, so you'll just have to trust me.

 

[Trekker4747]

Yeah, the Wiki-Entry (Actually a Marvel Wiki) pointed out that the other forms of Adamantium were mostly in-story retcons done to iron out inconsistencies.