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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Turtletrekker said:
Yhere's no way of knowing what the narrative benefit is going to be until we actually see the movie. Saying definitively that there would be no narrative benefit to her character, no matter who she is playing, before the movie is just blowing air out of your ass and it smells like it.
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What, you want to wait and see the film before judging?

How dare you! Don't you know this is the Internet?!
 
To follow up on my last post, for anyone not familiar with him here's how the Marvel Wiki describes Mr. Negative's corrupting touch:
  • Person Empowerment/Corrupting Touch: Mr. Negative's touch has brainwashing and corrupting properties: his touch can change people's personalities and temperaments and make them serve his interests. A corrupted person's clothes change in appearance to photographic negatives, and all who are corrupted praise their new master with proclamations like "Mr. Negative was never born, so he is ever living," or "He is attached to nothing, thus he is one with all." Negative's touch inverts the morals and personalities of his victims; his corruption is more effective the more good the affected person was prior to conversion[29]: White Dragon, a villain himself, gained vastly increased stamina and endurance, but was still easily dispatched. (Interestingly, his clothes reverted to normal once he was killed.)[7] Conversely, Spider-Man, a hero in every respect, was corrupted into a spiteful and angry villain, despising every value he held dear (even his Uncle Ben's memory) and was no longer above killing.[14] However, individuals can reverse the corruption when confronted with intense emotional turmoil. Spider-Man was able to break the hold his dark side has over him when he was on the verge of killing Betty Brant, as he remembered the love he once had for her upon getting close.[1] Aunt May after seeing Peter clearly suffering mentally feels guilty and underwent an intense mind battle, breaking the corruption.[31] Mr. Negative's corrupting touch was ineffective against the Hood; Mr. Negative stated that this was because the Hood's soul belongs to a being even darker than he is.[1] It is also ineffective against people who have been freed from his corruption once before.[6]
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Turtletrekker said:
There's no way of knowing what the narrative benefit is going to be until we actually see the movie. Saying definitively that there would be no narrative benefit to her character, no matter who she is playing, before the movie is just blowing air out of your ass and it smells like it.

I mean, what's the narrative benefit of having the Hulk in a Spider-Man movie?
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I identified 3 characters whose inclusion would be of absolute narrative benefit to Sony earlier: Spider-Queen, Madame Web, and Spider-Woman IV.
 
Turtletrekker said:
I'm already bored.
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That's a "you" problem.

I already, as noted, don't like the Tom Holland movies, but forcing Jean Grey into this one would pretty much relegate it to being worse, sight unseen, than Thor: Love and Thunder, while having any of the 3 Mutant Telepath villains I mentioned in the move would spike my low interest just enough to make me want to.see it for reasons other than being a Spider-Man completionist.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Nobody gives a flying f*ck about any of those characters that you mentioned
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And you know this how?

eschaton said:
I'm sure some hardcore webheads would, but neither Marvel or Sony are going for folks with intimate knowledge of deep comic book lore. They're going for a general audience.
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And it's the movie's job to make general audiences care about its characters, regardless of whether or not said audiences know who said characters are ahead of time.

Nerys Myk said:
There's a "Spider-Queen"?
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JoeZhang said:
I was thinking if Deadpool is in Secret Wars for a little bit, if he's masked, RR just needs to do voice over work.
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If you believe the rumors that it was Ryan Reynolds and RDJ that had the big blow up on set, then we can expect to see him in Doomsday.
 
JD said:
Are you talking about Alexei in the New Avengers pants?

I hadn't seen this before, but there are some big problems with it that make me doubt it.
First of all there's no mention of the New Avengers (Thunderbolts), Wakandans, or Talokanil. The trailer also specifically shows scenes involving Shang-Chi and Cassie (I can't remember did she decide on a superhero codename yet?), but there's no mention of them in the trailer. It seemed like from the early marketing that the kids of the heroes were going to play a big role, but yet Franklin is barely mentioned in passing and there is no mention of Love at all.
We also already know that there are some characters/actors who in it that haven't been announced yet, but it only talks about the other spider-men, and I would have expected more than just them.

I'm the opposite, it always drove me crazy that the adaptation spent so long avoided the crazier stuff, so I'm thrilled they're finally embracing it.

As a huge Charlize Theron fan, it's driving me crazy that we haven't gotten any kind of follow up to her appearance in Multiverse of Madness.
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I honestly expect we will someday get another Doctor Strange movie and we will see Theron in the movie. Personally I would love it if this was how we got to see more of Shang-Chi as well. I would love the idea if we saw Shang-Chi, Clea and Wong have to fight and stop Doctor Strange who has become evil. Them trying to bring him back to the side of good.
 
DigificWriter said:
For all that I rage about the Tom Holland films making Peter feel like a sidekick and not the protagonist, the inclusion of characters like Tony Stark, Happy Hogan, Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Doctor Strange, Hulk, and The Punisher make sense as characters whose inclusion was of narrative benefit to Sony.

Jean Grey - a character who has absolutely no connection whatsoever to Spider-Man - being included is of zero narrative benefit to Sony.
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I'm hoping she's May Parker from the Toby M. universe.
 
Turtletrekker said:
There's no way of knowing what the narrative benefit is going to be until we actually see the movie. Saying definitively that there would be no narrative benefit to her character, no matter who she is playing, before the movie is just blowing air out of your ass and it smells like it.

I mean, what's the narrative benefit of having the Hulk in a Spider-Man movie?
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Hulk and Spider-Man fights leading to team-ups are classic Marvel.
 
Would love to see a 'I didn't see that coming twist." Shinji Todo as Japanese Spider-Man ends up being part of the MCU. Turns out the world had a Spidey before Peter Parker showed up.
 
DigificWriter said:
I identified 3 characters whose inclusion would be of absolute narrative benefit to Sony earlier: Spider-Queen, Madame Web, and Spider-Woman IV.
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Everyone at Sony wants to forget that Madame Web happened and I think would need a recast because it's clear that Dakota Johnson has no interest in going back to that role.
 
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