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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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It is interesting that it was made in the 1980's. It's only real competitors would be the Superman spin-offs and then Batman in 1989. I feel like the Wonder Man movie must have not been a big hit but maybe became a cult classic afterwords. Perhaps the rise of real Superheros is what sparked the interest in that big time director wanting to make a movie about it.

It might be that the MCU is like Toy Story's world. In real life, Star Wars and Jurassic Park are the only movies that launched major action figure lines.

Superman does exist (as a fictional character) in the original Spider-Man movie.
 
It is interesting that it was made in the 1980's. It's only real competitors would be the Superman spin-offs and then Batman in 1989. I feel like the Wonder Man movie must have not been a big hit but maybe became a cult classic afterwords.
Was probably something on the same level as Meteor Man.
 
I can imagine there were some badly done biopics of Steve Rogers.

You know the internet is likely filled with all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories as well in regards to where he went to. Like that one with Steve Rogers living on the moon.
 
Tim Blake Nelson was on The Daily Show last night to talk about his newest novel (his second!), Superhero, and they eventually got into a discussion about the importance of comic books and comic book movies:

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The Russos talked to Empire Magazine about the importance of Dr. Doom and Steve Rogers (again, not referred to as Captain America) in Doomsday (quotes courtesy of ScreenRant):

In an interview with Empire Magazine, Anthony and Joe Russo spoke about Doctor Doom bringing a new level to the MCU with Avengers: Doomsday, sharing how "We also run at the complexity and the difficulty of what these movies can do at a narrative level. I think we've found a new level of that in Doomsday.” They elaborated that "Victor von Doom demands a certain tone."​
However, the Avengers: Doomsday cast will also see the return of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers, as he was revealed in one of the trailers in 2025. The directing duo commented on bringing the MCU veteran back, stating, “We have a special affinity with the character, we can’t see this narrative without his central role in it basically. The special place he holds among the ensemble, he sort of retains that moving forward.”
 
Of course it makes sense for these movies for your two main characters be from Chris Evans and Downey Jr. I wonder who the be the third fourth and fifth most important characters. I think it is going to be Shuri, Sam Wilson and Yelena and James Marsden.
 
Steve Rogers (again, not referred to as Captain America)
I'm curious. Why are people focused on that? OK, so it might not be the same Steve we knew before. And we could say that Steve was still Captain America for a long time before he gave the shield to Sam. But in the 616 world and in the Marvel Studio business world we live in, Sam is Captain America now. It makes sense to me that they call him Steve since he gave the shield up the last time we saw him.
 
The Russos talked to Empire Magazine about the importance of Dr. Doom and Steve Rogers (again, not referred to as Captain America) in Doomsday (quotes courtesy of ScreenRant):

In an interview with Empire Magazine, Anthony and Joe Russo spoke about Doctor Doom bringing a new level to the MCU with Avengers: Doomsday, sharing how "We also run at the complexity and the difficulty of what these movies can do at a narrative level. I think we've found a new level of that in Doomsday.” They elaborated that "Victor von Doom demands a certain tone."​
However, the Avengers: Doomsday cast will also see the return of Chris Evans as Steve Rogers, as he was revealed in one of the trailers in 2025. The directing duo commented on bringing the MCU veteran back, stating, “We have a special affinity with the character, we can’t see this narrative without his central role in it basically. The special place he holds among the ensemble, he sort of retains that moving forward.”

I suspect that they have no clue how much of an indictment against the MCU these comments are.
 
I'm curious. Why are people focused on that? OK, so it might not be the same Steve we knew before. And we could say that Steve was still Captain America for a long time before he gave the shield to Sam. But in the 616 world and in the Marvel Studio business world we live in, Sam is Captain America now. It makes sense to me that they call him Steve since he gave the shield up the last time we saw him.
You and I get that but there are some people here who are so hung up on the idea of Steve returning is an insult to Sam (and Anthony Mackie). I keep emphasizing that Evans is returning as Steve and not Cap to highlight what I assume (yes, just an assumption) is his intended role in the film.
 
I'm curious. Why are people focused on that? OK, so it might not be the same Steve we knew before. And we could say that Steve was still Captain America for a long time before he gave the shield to Sam. But in the 616 world and in the Marvel Studio business world we live in, Sam is Captain America now. It makes sense to me that they call him Steve since he gave the shield up the last time we saw him.

You and I get that but there are some people here who are so hung up on the idea of Steve returning is an insult to Sam (and Anthony Mackie). I keep emphasizing that Evans is returning as Steve and not Cap to highlight what I assume (yes, just an assumption) is his intended role in the film.

Third to chime in on that, been saying that for a while now as well.
He's back as Steve, not Cap. But some people can not separate one from the other.
Yes, at first Steve was THE Captain America. But like in the comics, the MCU has shifted to Captain America not being a character but a title. The characters are Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson, Bucky (granted, not a Captain America in the movies.....yet).
So Steve WAS a Captain America, now Sam is. People who keep insisting bringing Steve back is an insult Sam are, in a way, claiming that means there's only one Captain America and that that's Steve.

The rest of us accepted Sam as Cap and also accept it's just Steve coming back.



Man, I can't wait for the usual suspects to tell me how wrong I am. :D
 
Third to chime in on that, been saying that for a while now as well.
He's back as Steve, not Cap. But some people can not separate one from the other.
Yes, at first Steve was THE Captain America. But like in the comics, the MCU has shifted to Captain America not being a character but a title. The characters are Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson, Bucky (granted, not a Captain America in the movies.....yet).
So Steve WAS a Captain America, now Sam is. People who keep insisting bringing Steve back is an insult Sam are, in a way, claiming that means there's only one Captain America and that that's Steve.

The rest of us accepted Sam as Cap and also accept it's just Steve coming back.



Man, I can't wait for the usual suspects to tell me how wrong I am. :D
I was one of those people, but now that it's clear that he's just coming back as Steve and not taking the Captain America title back from Sam, I'm cool with it. I'm even looking forward to seeing what they do with him now.
 
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