Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Jayson Poorknees]

People need to learn first how to understand context and in essence learn how to think about issues and talk about issues before people start talking about actual issues. People are not dumb and people have access to more truth today about everything than ever before in human history. But people have forgotten how to think critically and have forgotten how engage with others, especially when they disagree on stuff.

 

[Set Harth]

I guess I'm kind of in the other camp on this. For one thing art, even as silly as superhero movies, should help us deal with reality, so BECAUSE there are so many who would think Nazi characters were the good guys is exactly the reason why they need to be more present again AS THE BAD GUYS.
People need a reminder that Nazis are the bad guys, have always been the bad guys, and always will be the bad guys.

See that quote in my signature? Gustave Gilbert was a psychologist, and he came to this conclusion after analysing the accused at the Nuremberg trials. His definition of Evil came from studying Nazis and their motives. Because being Nazi means being evil, and if a Nazi does not want to be evil anymore, if they want to reclaim their humanity, that process, with whatever other steps are needed, also always entails stopping being a Nazi.

Too many people seem to have forgotten that, so we really need to drill it back into public consciousness. Nazis are always the bad guys, because Nazis are irrefutably evil.

So, yes, have a Nazi Captain America, because that would be a great bad guy. Because Evil, just as Nazis, can come around looking like people we previously held in high regard. The reason why Alexander Pierce was a great bad guy is because he looked like the late Robert Redford. We, the audience, think of Robert Redford as a good guy, but then Pierce went and had his housekeeper killed and schemed to kill our heroes and thousands of others while putting the whole world under his control. A person with a face we trust goes and does undeniably evil things.

So, yeah, I'm all for stories like that which teach us to be vigilant, and that Nazis are evil and need to be opposed.

Are these Nazis in the room with us now?

 

[Turtletrekker]

That's bait.

 

[Set Harth]

I am one of the Vuvalini of the Many Mothers! My Initiate Mother was K.T. Concannon! I am the daughter of Mary Jabassa! My clan was Swaddle Dog!

 

[The Nightmare Doctor]

Uh-huh.

 

[Jayson Poorknees]

I am one of the Vuvalini of the Many Mothers! My Initiate Mother was K.T. Concannon! I am the daughter of Mary Jabassa! My clan was Swaddle Dog!

I have no idea what that is from.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

I have no idea what that is from.

Mad Max Fury Road, Furiosa.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I agree, but there will always be some people who miss the point and root for the bad guys, like the "Thanos was right" contingent, say. It absolutely is important to say Nazis are bad, yes, but that's not likely to change the minds of anyone sympathetic to the Nazis; it's more to remind the rest of us to be vigilant.

Although in the current climate, I don't know if a Nazi Captain America is a good idea, unless the real Captain America (i.e. Sam) is there to oppose and defeat him, and emphatically remind us that fighting Nazis is what Captain America has been about since day one.

If the population of a planet reaches 6 billion, a Celestial egg cracks open, and everyone dies, or Thanos kills half the world first, and that doesn't happen.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I don't see a major implication. Maybe if Sam Wilson had become more popular in the movies then it would be the case or if he was the only non-white character in the movies but he is really just another character.

The implication of White Evans returning to that role (no matter the silly-assed dimension or multiverse version), when the effort was made to build the Wilson arc and his rightful claiming of the Cap identity--as Marvel Studios explored that in the D+ series) would be a social grenade, which would be motivated from your "most popular characters and run with them" idea by any stretch of the imagination. They were continuing a natural story and making a pointed comment on real world negativity about a Black man in that role.

IMO the goal is to not worry about real world politics or comic book canon or any of that stuff. It should be to gather your most popular characters and run with them. IMO the perfect Avengers cast would have been.

That was not the goal, which would have been crystal clear to anyone watching the D+ series, where many of the themes / plotlines were a reflection of the comics and real world sociopolitical problems. That goes with the Captain America territory, at least in the character's greatest stories.

Sam Wilson as Captain America who more or less fills the role of Nick Fury

Based on what? The two have completely different motivations and skillsets, so what--specifically--makes Wilson as Cap somehow capable of serving the same role as Fury?