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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Brand New Day, like all of the MCU Spider-Man films, is first and foremost a Sony film, not a Marvel Studios film, and it's therefore highly unlikely that something as significant as the introduction of the Sacred Timeline variant of a character who is directly the property of Marvel Studios is going to happen in a film owned by a 'rival' company.
 
DigificWriter said:
Brand New Day, like all of the MCU Spider-Man films, is first and foremost a Sony film, not a Marvel Studios film, and it's therefore highly unlikely that something as significant as the introduction of the Sacred Timeline variant of a character who is directly the property of Marvel Studios is going to happen in a film owned by a 'rival' company.
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And yet, the last spiderman film did something major like wipe everyone's memory of Peter Parker.
 
I got a theory. I think the next Avengers team is going to have some mutants on it. In fact I I think after Secret Wars we are going to see the definitive new Avengers team for the next phase. I am just not sure who will be on the team. I think Captain America(Wilson) Ms Marvel will be for sure. Maybe Spiderman. I am not sure about the rights issue and just how much longer they can keep him. At least one big name X Men. Especially since they won't even have a X Men team at first. I suspect Xaver and Magneto building up the X-Men and eventually opening up the school will be a big arc throughout the movies.

I think we will have a new Black Panther on the team and at least one old school hangover. Maybe Thor. I have a feeling that talk about casting a new Iron Man will also lead to us with a new Iron Man played by a new version of Tony Stark. Also I will say Beast in terms of another Mutant on the team. In away he could be the new Hulk like character. Also whoever Sadie Sink is playing in the new Spider-Man movie. Almost forgot. Also Yelena.
 
DigificWriter said:
Brand New Day, like all of the MCU Spider-Man films, is first and foremost a Sony film, not a Marvel Studios film, and it's therefore highly unlikely that something as significant as the introduction of the Sacred Timeline variant of a character who is directly the property of Marvel Studios is going to happen in a film owned by a 'rival' company.
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OK, that's a fair point, I didn't think about that.
 
Jayson Poorknees said:
My only issue was the final episode was kind of weak. For some reason that seems to be a issue with all the MCU shows except Agatha.
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I agree, and a big part of that is so many of those shows end with a world-threat, even when the rest of the shows are more low-key or self-contained. Moon Knight did this as well as Ms. Marvel, for example. It was fun that She-Hulk spoofed the concept.

It is not a surprise that nearly all my favorite Marvel series have stories that are more self-contained, even though they might have implications for the great MCU. I'm thinking of shows like Wandavision and Agatha, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Echo, and She-Hulk. (Yes, I think She-Hulk was a great series.) The big exception to this is Loki, which was brilliant.
 
JD said:
Probably, but they have introduced characters in movies where they have no connection to in comics, like Wakanda Forever introducing Namor and Riri, even though neither of them are connected to Wakanda in the comics. I'm pretty sure they've also said that X-Men elements will be introduced in movies other than the Avengers and X-Men, so that could mean Brave New World.

I'm pretty sure 7 at least will be focused on introducing the MCU X-Men.
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Namor and Riri really aren't that disconnected from Wakanda in the comics. As superpowered leaders Namor and Black Panther share tons of obvious potential material. Riri is friends with Shuri ever since they worked together against the 10 Rings and Riri's evil biological father.

Plus, both are very obviously strongly connected to the themes of the Black Panther franchise.

I don't see how Phoenix at all makes sense as either a character driven or theme driven addition to a Spider-man movie. Jean is also possibly the last X character who should ever be introduced on her own without the rest of the team around her. And again, if they want to introduce more X-men elements in the film, there are various other characters that make way more sense than Jean.

theenglish said:
I agree, and a big part of that is so many of those shows end with a world-threat, even when the rest of the shows are more low-key or self-contained. Moon Knight did this as well as Ms. Marvel, for example. It was fun that She-Hulk spoofed the concept.

It is not a surprise that nearly all my favorite Marvel series have stories that are more self-contained, even though they might have implications for the great MCU. I'm thinking of shows like Wandavision and Agatha, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Echo, and She-Hulk. (Yes, I think She-Hulk was a great series.) The big exception to this is Loki, which was brilliant.
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Ms. Marvel is really the opposite of this. I agree the world ending threat should've been left out entirely, but it was not at all the climax of the show. The world was fully saved before the finale even began, the real climax was about saving a messed up kid with powers from getting killed by cops, which is exactly the sort of thing Ms. Marvel stories should be about.
 
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Grendelsbayne said:
Ms. Marvel is really the opposite of this. I agree the world ending threat should've been left out entirely, but it was not at all the climax of the show. The world was fully saved before the finale even began, the real climax was about saving a messed up kid with powers from getting killed by cops, which is exactly the sort of thing Ms. Marvel stories should be about.
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You're correct on that detail regarding the timeline within the show and perhaps I should have added a clarifying sentence. Regardless my overall point is unchanged.
 
The possibility of the world ending isn't even remotely the point of Ms. Marvel's story, but said story also can't function without its presence.
 
DigificWriter said:
The possibility of the world ending isn't even remotely the point of Ms. Marvel's story, but said story also can't function without its presence.
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Sure it can. Change it so the Clan Destine plan to get home requires killing someone to power the portal instead of just accidentally destroying the world as collateral damage. The story can play out the exact same way in every respect.
 
Grendelsbayne said:
Change it so the Clan Destine plan to get home requires killing someone to power the portal instead of just accidentally destroying the world as collateral damage. The story can play out the exact same way in every respect.
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The danger of the world being destroyed exists in the story not as an obstacle to overcome, but as a catalyst for and component of Kamala's exploration of her own family history and the unfolding of her Hero's Journey. Not having it be part of the story therefore fundamentally changes that story.
 
DigificWriter said:
The danger of the world being destroyed exists in the story not as an obstacle to overcome, but as a catalyst for and component of Kamala's exploration of her own family history and the unfolding of her Hero's Journey. Not having it be part of the story therefore fundamentally changes that story.
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Not really. Her family history adventure stems from the power of the bangles. You can have that without needing the world to be in danger.
 
DigificWriter said:
I disagree, because it's the bangle's power that presents the threat of the world being destroyed in the first place.
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Only because the writers chose to say that. They could also have chosen to say the portal won't damage the world but can only be opened with the help of a sacrifice (either because piercing the veil isn't what the bangles are actually meant to do or because it would produce so much energy the wearer couldn't survive it). It's a magical bracelet that does whatever the writers say and none of these options are any less arbitrary than the others.
 
Grendelsbayne said:
Namor and Riri really aren't that disconnected from Wakanda in the comics. As superpowered leaders Namor and Black Panther share tons of obvious potential material. Riri is friends with Shuri ever since they worked together against the 10 Rings and Riri's evil biological father.
Plus, both are very obviously strongly connected to the themes of the Black Panther franchise.
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I understand where Namor and the Black Panther are similar, but I just meant that he isn't really associated with the Black Panther comics the way other supporting characters in the movies like Shuri, Ramonda, or Okoye are.
I didn't realize that Riri and Shuri were friends in the comics, but she still tend to think of Riri as more of an Iron Man character than a Black Panther character.
Grendelsbayne said:
I don't see how Phoenix at all makes sense as either a character driven or theme driven addition to a Spider-man movie. Jean is also possibly the last X character who should ever be introduced on her own without the rest of the team around her. And again, if they want to introduce more X-men elements in the film, there are various other characters that make way more sense than Jean.
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The more I think about this more Firestar feels like a better fit given her connection to Spider-Man in the past.
 
JD said:
Probably, but they have introduced characters in movies where they have no connection to in comics, like Wakanda Forever introducing Namor and Riri, even though neither of them are connected to Wakanda in the comics. I'm pretty sure they've also said that X-Men elements will be introduced in movies other than the Avengers and X-Men, so that could mean Brave New World.

I'm pretty sure 7 at least will be focused on introducing the MCU X-Men.
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wonder who will be in the mcu x men
 
The big question for me is, will they go back to the original real "First Class" of Jean who I think was Marve Girl originally, Cyclops, Beast, Iceman & Angel or go with the more popular lineup with Wolverine, Storm, ect.?
 
JD said:
The big question for me is, will they go back to the original real "First Class" of Jean who I think was Marve Girl originally, Cyclops, Beast, Iceman & Angel or go with the more popular lineup with Wolverine, Storm, ect.?
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I'm a fan of the OG team and the All-New All Different line up, so a mix of that would be my preference. All young enough to be students. Not sure how to fit Wolverine in. He's the only X-Man from the first line ups that wasn't created to to be an X-Man.
 
JD said:
The big question for me is, will they go back to the original real "First Class" of Jean who I think was Marve Girl originally, Cyclops, Beast, Iceman & Angel or go with the more popular lineup with Wolverine, Storm, ect.?
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Unless they employ colorblind casting for the original five (which is certainly possible), I think they'd be more likely to go with a more ethnically and culturally diverse group like the All-New All-Different team.
 
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