Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[tomalak301]

When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's there was not one kid in my neighborhood who didn't know who Iron Man or Captain America was. They were top tier characters back then. I could not have been imagining it all these years.

Iron Man/Tony Stark also had one of the biggest ground breaking stories back in 1979. Tony's fall into alcoholism. There was also a popular Iron and Cartoon in the 60's and 90's. Maybe not as popular as the x men cartoon. I always thought the X-Men was kinda second tier until later on.... . Though that was a preference thing....

That was the 70s. I was born in 84 and really didn't get that attached to it until the animated shows. Before that I was into mostly Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Ghostbusters and Bug Bunny Cartoons (And Tiny Toon Adventures, but I think that was more of an early 90s thing). I guess one can say I came pretty late.

 

[Dar70]

That was the 70s. I was born in 84 and really didn't get that attached to it until the animated shows. Before that I was into mostly Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Ghostbusters and Bug Bunny Cartoons (And Tiny Toon Adventures, but I think that was more of an early 90s thing). I guess one can say I came pretty late.

Yeah. I'm just saying I didn't ever think of those two characters as mid or low tier in Marvel Comics.

 

[Set Harth]

As I said, the general public had no real awareness of characters like Iron Man or Thor before the MCU.

That may be the popular narrative, and conveniently there's no way for anyone to dispute it because no one individual is the aggregate "general public".

But I had an Iron Man "doll" ( more of a somewhat squishy larger figure ) as a kid.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah there was merch, but not on the level of say Spider-Man or Hulk. Books like Iron Man and Daredevil often struggled to stay above the cancelation line. The influx of top talent and headline generating storylines saved them, plus there was the speculator boom when comics were an excuse to print money.

 

[Christopher]

Well 3 or 4 years of no books was a pretty long time for FF. That had never happened before on the history of that book. Correct?

Three years is not a long time for a book that's been around for over 60 years. In comics terms, three years is only around 36 issues, and given how decompressed comics storytelling is these days, that's maybe only 6-8 separate stories. I'd hardly call that a long time.

 

[BillJ]

I swear if I never hear or read the term "soft reboot" again, it won't be soon enough.

It is right up there with "canon".

 

[Commander Troi]

(And Tiny Toon Adventures, but I think that was more of an early 90s thing)

Babs and Buster! I loved that show.

 

[Dar70]

Three years is not a long time for a book that's been around for over 60 years. In comics terms, three years is only around 36 issues, and given how decompressed comics storytelling is these days, that's maybe only 6-8 separate stories. I'd hardly call that a long time.

Well a substantial time for an FF collector.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Babs and Buster!

No relation.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Well a substantial time for an FF collector.

When they killed off Wolverine for a time, it was an even longer span before they brought him back.

 

[DigificWriter]

It is right up there with "canon".

The difference is that Canon is an actual thing that exists (unless you're dealing with Doctor Who).

 

[Nerys Myk]

The difference is that Canon is an actual thing that exists (unless you're dealing with Doctor Who).

Doctor Who canon exists. It's just more expansive than most franchises. The continuity is a bit timey wimey though,

 

[BillJ]

The difference is that Canon is an actual thing that exists (unless you're dealing with Doctor Who).

So is a soft-reboot.

Soft Reboot - TV Tropes

You have a classic property, one that's made money hand over fist for you for years, perhaps decades, but now, it's getting a little long in the tooth. Maybe it's dated, maybe recent installments have tarnished its name, maybe it's just bogged …

tvtropes.org

 

[Jayson1]

Feige seems to look a Marvel characters like brands and looks at each character as a mantle that can be played by anyone. That is why he must of thought a Sam Wilson as Captain America movie would work, ignoring the importance of Chris Evans in people liking Captain America. This might even be true for a few characters like Batman,Superman,Spider-Man etc but for most of them the actor and their version of the character is most important. People fell in love with Iron Man because they loved Robert Downey Jr. Not because of some deep love for Iron Man stories.

 

[DigificWriter]

So is a soft-reboot.

Soft Reboot - TV Tropes

You have a classic property, one that's made money hand over fist for you for years, perhaps decades, but now, it's getting a little long in the tooth. Maybe it's dated, maybe recent installments have tarnished its name, maybe it's just bogged …

tvtropes.org

Using a made-up term doesn't cause the thing that said term is describing to exist.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Feige seems to look a Marvel characters like brands and looks at each character as a mantle that can be played by anyone. That is why he must of thought a Sam Wilson as Captain America movie would work, ignoring the importance of Chris Evans in people liking Captain America. This might even be true for a few characters like Batman,Superman,Spider-Man etc but for most of them the actor and their version of the character is most important. People fell in love with Iron Man because they loved Robert Downey Jr. Not because of some deep love for Iron Man stories.

He's borrowing from the books where we've seen multiple Caps and Iron Men. Even before Sam or Walker took the shield there were like three Caps after Steve. Bucky was even Cap for a bit.

 

[BillJ]

Using a made-up term doesn't cause the thing that said term is describing to exist.

You do realize that all terms were made up somewhere at some point? Because you can't wrap your mind around something, doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

[Jayson1]

He's borrowing from the books where we've seen multiple Caps and Iron Men. Even before Sam or Walker took the shield there were like three Caps after Steve. Bucky was even Cap for a bit.

To me the comic books might be a good source for some ideas but the characters work differently when you translate them to tv or the movies. For many people the only versions of these characters will be the versions shown on tv and movies.

 

[DigificWriter]

Doctor Who canon exists.

It doesn't.

An IP's Canon is defined by those in charge of it, and not only have none of said individuals ever done so, they've explicitly stated that the IP has no official Canon and affirmed that it works as it does expressly because it has no official Canon.

With Doctor Who, every single thing that has ever been produced both counts and doesn't count depending on the individual whims and predelictions of the people who have produced said things.

You do realize that all terms were made up somewhere at some point? Because you can't wrap your mind around something, doesn't mean it's wrong.

You can't just 'will' something into existence by creating a term to describe it.

 

[Mudd]

Using a made-up term doesn't cause the thing that said term is describing to exist.

The University of Glasgow disagrees with you. Which is reasonable because, you know, you're wrong.