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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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If they are talking about recasting Iron Man and Captain America I am not so sure just how soft this reboot will be. Seems like they want to do something completely new and sort of build it around the X-Men and Fantastic Four aspects of the Marvel Universe.
 
But do they really need to go back to focusing on Tony Stark and Steve Rogers? The only reason the MCU started out centering on them is that it didn't have the rights to Marvel's usual A-list characters -- Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men. Now they have all of them, so I'd expect the primary focus going forward to be on those characters. Really, Tony's role in the MCU was basically a substitute for Reed Richards's usual role.
 
oktay said:
What Kevin Feige calls a reset could be similar to what James Gunn did with the new DCU. I mean, I think they'll change the X-MEN, find a new Tony Stark and Steve R., and continue with the old cast.
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A "reset" is not what Gunn is in the process of doing. Its a total reboot, which is a film series with a new beginning, hence the reason once-rumored talks with Gal Gadot to return as Wonder Woman are no longer relevant, as she has said she will not return to her DECU version of the character. Unless Feige believes a "reset" simply means recasting, then the quote could be suggestive of the entire, muddled "multiverse" of the MCU will be rebooted / boiled down to return to a few concepts as in the early years of the MCU, which would be a welcome change.

oktay said:
It's not the same. When TNG came out, there was only the original series, TAS, and a few movies. TNG was a project to expand the universe. But the MCU has over 50 movies and TV series. At some point, it's inevitable that some characters will be recast, especially regarding their actors. They're not talking about a full reboot, anyway.
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Time will tell. if characters such as Rogers and Stark are recast, Marvel Studios would do well to have them operate in a rebooted franchise to avoid MCU fan(atics) storming the Disney castle walls in outrage over their belief that the current, "real" Marvel earth can only involve Evans and RDJ, as if they were Mount Rushmore-esque fixtures that cannot be replaced.

Jayson1 said:
If they want to start over why even bother trying to explain it through a series of movies. Just end the MCU and create a new cinematic universe if they wish.
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That would be preferable to any attempt to explain changes. We recall how well that kind of wrongheaded, all-thumbs screwing around did not work in The Flash, and I would not expect a more coherent, logical attempt in the MCU, either.
 
Christopher said:
But do they really need to go back to focusing on Tony Stark and Steve Rogers? The only reason the MCU started out centering on them is that it didn't have the rights to Marvel's usual A-list characters -- Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men. Now they have all of them, so I'd expect the primary focus going forward to be on those characters. Really, Tony's role in the MCU was basically a substitute for Reed Richards's usual role.
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They are in a corner here. Not much beyond A list characters will hold general audience attention. Guardians of the Galaxy was probably the biggest unknown to general audiences and was successful. But a lot of others were not. So they probably feel they need to keep with Iron Man and Captain American. I think it will be disastrous unless it's a complete reboot of the MCU not more Alternate universe BS. But I'm pretty sure at this point they will only be holding onto comic fanatics and general audience interest is beginning to wane on superhero fare.

I have said this before. Superhero films have followed the same trajectory of comic books "downfall" from the 90's
Just my option..
 
Jayson1 said:
If they are talking about recasting Iron Man and Captain America I am not so sure just how soft this reboot will be. Seems like they want to do something completely new and sort of build it around the X-Men and Fantastic Four aspects of the Marvel Universe.
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I don't think they are actively talking about it. Feige just acknowledges it will happen someday (Probably after he's gone)
 
Dar70 said:
They are in a corner here. Not much beyond A list characters will hold general audience attention.
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But that's my point -- Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America were not A-list characters in the comics. Spidey, the FF, and the X-Men were the A-list, and maybe the Hulk. But the MCU didn't have the rights to them, so they had to start with the B- and C-list characters that mainstream audiences had barely heard of, and they made them A-list characters through the quality of the movies, which completely disproves your argument.

I mean, seriously, where did this ludicrous idea come from that it's impossible for a movie to succeed unless it's based on already famous characters? Nobody had ever heard of Luke Skywalker before 1977. Nobody had ever heard of Indiana Jones before 1981. Nobody had heard of John Wick before 2014. Good movies make their characters famous. That should be obvious, since every character had to start somewhere.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
A "reset" is not what Gunn is in the process of doing. Its a total reboot, which is a film series with a new beginning,
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This is where the soft reboot comes in. Because in the new DCU, what happened in Peacemaker and the characters in that TV series exist in the new DCU with the same actors. James Gunn even said that the first season of the TV series was canon, except for the part where he only appeared in Justice League.
 
Samurai8472 said:
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Some people probably called it "Stop" right there. 20 movies and 10 years was enough for them.
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Technically, 22 movies and (almost) 11 years. :bolian:
Christopher said:
Nobody had ever heard of Luke Skywalker before 1977.
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Point taken, but allegedly the novelization was available for purchase in late 1976.
 
oktay said:
This is where the soft reboot comes in. Because in the new DCU, what happened in Peacemaker and the characters in that TV series exist in the new DCU with the same actors. James Gunn even said that the first season of the TV series was canon, except for the part where he only appeared in Justice League.
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Once exceptions start being made, then they'll do whatever they feel they need to do to get folks watching/buying tickets.
 
Gunn is doing with the movies what DC has done thrice in the comics: rebooting their continuity and then tying said new continuity into previous continuities. The only difference is that he's doing the latter thing from the jump.
 
Christopher said:
But that's my point -- Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America were not A-list characters in the comics. Spidey, the FF, and the X-Men were the A-list, and maybe the Hulk. But the MCU didn't have the rights to them, so they had to start with the B- and C-list characters that mainstream audiences had barely heard of, and they made them A-list characters through the quality of the movies, which completely disproves your argument.

I mean, seriously, where did this ludicrous idea come from that it's impossible for a movie to succeed unless it's based on already famous characters? Nobody had ever heard of Luke Skywalker before 1977. Nobody had ever heard of Indiana Jones before 1981. Nobody had heard of John Wick before 2014. Good movies make their characters famous. That should be obvious, since every character had to start somewhere.
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I don't think the FF were as A list as Iron Man or Captain America. The book was cancelled for a long time. But all those including the Hulk and even Silver Surfer I considered A list.

I get what you are saying though. But Luke Skywalker wasn't a comic character. He was an original creation. Most people have an idea of comic characters even it they never read a comic or seen a movie.
 
oktay said:
Yes, but it's a very apt term, one that probably came about after J.J. Abrams' Star Trek movies.
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* Sigh *

You can't 'softly reboot' a fictional property. You're either rebooting it - by discarding everything that has been previously done with it in terms of characterization, lore, and, in most cases, casting (if it's a film or television series) - or you're not.

There is no 'middle ground'.
 
Dar70 said:
I don't think the FF were as A list as Iron Man or Captain America. The book was cancelled for a long time. But all those including the Hulk and even Silver Surfer I considered A list.

I get what you are saying though. But Luke Skywalker wasn't a comic character. He was an original creation. Most people have an idea of comic characters even it they never read a comic or seen a movie.
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FF? It, along with Spider-Man, were the cornerstones of the Marvel Universe in the Sixties. I can't recall a time when FF in some form wasn't being published.
X-Men on the other hand was cancelled and spent the early Seventies as reprint book.
 
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