Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Poor writing. Look at the Garfield movie, Osmosis Jones.
...I LIKED the Osmosis Jones movie...
I would not say Bill Murray was well used in that film though.
Without question.
That was a worn formula some time back.
I disagree with that. The MCU's best films had no involvement from Whedon.
Well, the first Avengers is easily In the top five list for my favorite MCU movies, In fact I just watched it again last night for the umpteenth time, but I don't think that the MCU has been hurt in the slightest by the absence of Joss Whedon. The Russo Brothers have been far more influential and successful with their MCU efforts.
The Avengers is the best Marvel film in my opinion. It does a good job of being a standalone.
Endgame is the most emotionally moving.
Endgame is the most emotionally moving.
He made one good movie in the MCU. Don't oversell it. We all know better, so do you.
Captain America: The First Avenger never fails to be great. It got the formula right from the start and most MCU movies since have failed to match it.
I agree. I like Winter Soldier more, but for the same reason I like First Avenger. At its core, it is all about the characters. It is about friendship and love. Steve is a great protagonist and the supporting cast is fantastic. It has humor, but it also has some surprisingly moving emotional beats.
True.
The MCU's best films so far have been the 3 Iron Man movies, the two Black Panther movies, the two Doctor Strange movies, the two Captain Marvel movies, and Eternals.
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You forgot Love and Thunder.
If only we could forget it.
It was okay, but once they get to the "SSR vs Hydra" part the movie kind of stalls.
It's definitely not one of the MCU's best, but I really enjoyed it.
That was fun, but after all the set up in the first two movies, I loved finally getting to take a deep dive, literally, into the Microverse.
I though the movie did a great job of highlighting all of the character. The one negative point I will agree to, is that it would have been nice to see the first two movies' supporting cast. Oh, and the design for MODOK didn't really work for me. They way they just blew up Corey Stoll's face was just strange, it might have worked a little better if it was more warped and mutated just his giant but otherwise normal face.
I've got to disagree, most of the MCU's best movies didn't come out until long after he was gone.
Veb was one of my favorite parts of the movie.
To me, the central issue with the movie was not the slop CGI, or even the dialogue. It was that Scott being the protagonist of the movie felt a bit...random. Like Marvel Studios had a dartboard, and decided that they needed another Ant-Man movie and a Kang introduction, so they just put them in the same movie.
The best villains are a dark mirror of some aspect of the hero, riffing off of them in some aspect thematically, or else have personal history with the hero. Kang has essentially no relation to Scott except he happened to be the Avenger that showed up. I guess there's an argument that the whole "quantum realm" aspect required Scott to be the protagonist, but that was really an excuse to have a Kang in a pretty inaccessible realm. The area was so totally cut off from any sense of the shrinking/growing scale of the previous Ant-Man movies that it just as easily could have been somewhere in space, with one of the more "cosmic" Avengers (Captain Marvel, Thor, the Guardians) playing the same role.
Adding to this, Scott had no character arc to speak of in the movie. I guess there was a tiny bit of tension with Cassie, which was resolved by the end of it, but that was tension artificially created for the movie. He ends the movie having sacrificed nothing, having changed little, and going back to his cozy life in San Francisco.
What this is all very similar to is Captain America: Brave New World. There is no reasonable argument why Sam Wilson should have had the starring role in an Incredible Hulk sequel. Okay, I realize Universal may have been upset if Bruce Banner was in here, but...maybe don't make a Hulk sequel then?
I dunno. I don't think you need a great villain with a personal connection to make a good movie. GOTG 1 did just fine with a joke of an antagonist, largely because the real conflict that was there to overcome was the internal conflict within the team. And there's been MCU outings with conceptually solid villains that I think struggled, like Black Widow. But I don't think you should set out to seemingly use a dart board to connect your main character to a potential story beat.
Whedon didn't just do the Avengers movies though. He was kind of in charge up until the second Avengers movie. I feel like the strength was that he and Feige made a good team. Whatever conflicts they had, led to great results. It was a combined effort. While their was some good movies in phase 3, I feel like as a whole the first two phases are still the MCU at it's best.
It is noticed also that out of 3 good phase 3 movies they revolve around someone who I feel was allowed more creative control than others have been allowed and that would be Guardians 2, Thor 3 and Black Panther. I will say that the Russo brothers seem to be the most successful in operating within the confines of the more studio controlled stuff. I don't want to dismiss their impact on the MCU either.
It is noticed also that out of 3 good phase 3 movies they revolve around someone who I feel was allowed more creative control than others have been allowed and that would be Guardians 2, Thor 3 and Black Panther. I will say that the Russo brothers seem to be the most successful in operating within the confines of the more studio controlled stuff. I don't want to dismiss their impact on the MCU either.
That's hardly any different from his arc in Ant-Man 2.
Because they'd made Ross an antagonist for more than just the Hulk and were following up on his Government ambitions set up in Civil War. As Cap is the most political of the MCU Heroes, Sam's story would be tied to Ross now.
Plus, the Leader and Ross both being the results of the Gamma Mutations which were themselves the results of further research done on the Super Soldier Serum fit thematically as they're both good living examples of why Sam shouldn't have taken the serum.