Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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I don't understand why this is such an issue, just because they're a comic relief character doesn't mean they can't also be able to kick serious ass when the time comes. And I thought the movie did a great job of building up to the final confrontation between Scott and Kang in a way that worked for both characters. It's also remember that Scott had a whole army backing him up, and it was a hell of a brutal fight between him and Kang, so it's not like he just walked in single handedly beat Kang with no effort. People seem to be really blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. And if it really bothers you that much, then it's also worth remembering that this was a one-off Kang, and as far we know he was not the necessarily the Kang that was going to be taking on The Avengers in Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
This caught my eye:
Their Earth has an ANSA instead of NASA - which is the same organization that launched Charlton Heston into space in the original Planet of The Apes.
https://planetoftheapes.fandom.com/wiki/ANSA
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Oh, I didn't know that, nice catch.
One other thing I found interesting is that this version of Sue is diplomat who negotiated a peace with Subterranea, the home of Mole Man, The Moloids and a couple other races according to the Marvel Database.
If Thor could start out as a relatively serious character but become increasingly buffoonish in later movies, I see no reason why Ant-Man can't start out as comical and then be the hero in a more serious movie. Part of the fun of large, diverse comics universes like Marvel and DC is that characters don't have to stay in one lane.
Ant Man is played by Paul Rudd. Rudd is great but I am not sure he is one of those actors that people see as someone being able to do serious stuff.
The movie did plenty to justify it. We've seen Scott handle himself in some pretty big fights before, and like I said before, he had help, so it's not like he suddenly went from not being able to fight to kicking Kang's ass singlehandedly. And being a comic relief character has nothing whatsoever about how tough a character is, Jackie has been built most of career around playing characters who are funny and can kick serious ass, and pretty all of the main characters in Stephen Chow's movies have that same combination of funny and ass kicking.
Yes but what I mean is the movie is just bad. The put a character in a dreary CGI landscape that looks terrible and it takes away part of the appeal of the character operating in the real world and seeing him big or small in familiar settings . None of the characters really had anything interesting to do and some seemed completely sidelined like Wasp. No Luis on top of it all.
Heck, Squirrel Girl is a comic relief character whose entire comic schtick is built around her ability to defeat even the most powerful foes. Her debut story had her defeating Doctor Doom by inundating him with squirrels. The fact that someone with such a seemingly useless power could pull off a surprise upset victory over Marvel's premier villain was the whole essence and punch line of the story. It occurs to me that Quantumania uses the exact same dynamic.
Michael Keaton was a comic actor in mostly family-friendly films until he was cast as Batman by Tim Burton, and since he's proven he has the dramatic chops to impress both audiences and critics. I need only recommend the Hulu series Dopesick about the opioid crisis.
People will see Rudd as a funny actor until he gets a breakout serious performance in something, and then it'll be Keaton 2.0 and we'll all wonder why we pigeonhole some actors into specific categories.