Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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I don't understand why this is such an issue, just because they're a comic relief character doesn't mean they can't also be able to kick serious ass when the time comes. And I thought the movie did a great job of building up to the final confrontation between Scott and Kang in a way that worked for both characters. It's also remember that Scott had a whole army backing him up, and it was a hell of a brutal fight between him and Kang, so it's not like he just walked in single handedly beat Kang with no effort. People seem to be really blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. And if it really bothers you that much, then it's also worth remembering that this was a one-off Kang, and as far we know he was not the necessarily the Kang that was going to be taking on The Avengers in Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
This caught my eye:
Their Earth has an ANSA instead of NASA - which is the same organization that launched Charlton Heston into space in the original Planet of The Apes.
https://planetoftheapes.fandom.com/wiki/ANSA
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Oh, I didn't know that, nice catch.
One other thing I found interesting is that this version of Sue is diplomat who negotiated a peace with Subterranea, the home of Mole Man, The Moloids and a couple other races according to the Marvel Database.
If Thor could start out as a relatively serious character but become increasingly buffoonish in later movies, I see no reason why Ant-Man can't start out as comical and then be the hero in a more serious movie. Part of the fun of large, diverse comics universes like Marvel and DC is that characters don't have to stay in one lane.
Ant Man is played by Paul Rudd. Rudd is great but I am not sure he is one of those actors that people see as someone being able to do serious stuff.
The movie did plenty to justify it. We've seen Scott handle himself in some pretty big fights before, and like I said before, he had help, so it's not like he suddenly went from not being able to fight to kicking Kang's ass singlehandedly. And being a comic relief character has nothing whatsoever about how tough a character is, Jackie has been built most of career around playing characters who are funny and can kick serious ass, and pretty all of the main characters in Stephen Chow's movies have that same combination of funny and ass kicking.
Yes but what I mean is the movie is just bad. The put a character in a dreary CGI landscape that looks terrible and it takes away part of the appeal of the character operating in the real world and seeing him big or small in familiar settings . None of the characters really had anything interesting to do and some seemed completely sidelined like Wasp. No Luis on top of it all.
Heck, Squirrel Girl is a comic relief character whose entire comic schtick is built around her ability to defeat even the most powerful foes. Her debut story had her defeating Doctor Doom by inundating him with squirrels. The fact that someone with such a seemingly useless power could pull off a surprise upset victory over Marvel's premier villain was the whole essence and punch line of the story. It occurs to me that Quantumania uses the exact same dynamic.
Michael Keaton was a comic actor in mostly family-friendly films until he was cast as Batman by Tim Burton, and since he's proven he has the dramatic chops to impress both audiences and critics. I need only recommend the Hulu series Dopesick about the opioid crisis.
People will see Rudd as a funny actor until he gets a breakout serious performance in something, and then it'll be Keaton 2.0 and we'll all wonder why we pigeonhole some actors into specific categories.
I don't know. I recall him being in "Clean and Sober." In fact I I wonder if that movie played a big role in them choosing to go with him as Batman. I think Rudd tried to break out of the comic stuff in "Mute" but It didn't work. Their is something about Rudd that makes you just like him to much to hate him or take him seriously, which is something that often comes with dramatic roles.
Luis was the good luck charm.
And Squirrel Girl still needs to make her MCU appearance.
As for Quantumania, I really liked most of the movie. The main plot was really good. Paul Rudd's acting was solid against Jonathan Majors and I loved the underdog story. I also enjoyed the family dynamic. What I didn't like was the humor, or lack of decent humor. I want to laugh during an Ant Man movie and all the jokes just fell flat for me. I also got really tired of watching the total CGI environment and missed the Ant Man characters omitted from the film, namely Luis and Jimmy. I also didn't like the easy rescue at the end, which was just poor writing as it would have been simple to lay the groundwork to re-enter the microverse during the opening scenes of the movie. I don't think I felt quite that strongly when I went to see the movie, but it really hasn't held up to repeated viewings.
I only liked the continued Baskin Robbins joke in Quantumania. I could ever watch a whole seris about the Scott we saw who I guess never became Ant Man was still working for them. In my head canon Luis became Ant Man and is also teamed up with Wasp. Scott finds himself entangled in some comic book plot in which he has to save the day without having powers.
Not a perfect movie, no, but not as bad as people say. There's room for something to be flawed but still have merits.
At this point that seems to be all MCU movies though I would just say the formula of being jokey all the time has ran stale and the problem is Whedon and James Gunn are no longer around and those two are ones who can do that kind of humor the best. Whedon not being around has hurt the MCU more than I think lots of people want to admit.