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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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The cure to Marvel Fatigue is Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man and Chirs Evans as Captain America. If not available a Deadpool or Spiderman might be what you need. If Marvel fatigue continues one should try a alternative remedy in a James Gunn DCEU movie or A24 movie. Possible side effects.

1 People online complaining due to lack of diversity
2 Headache from to much fan service and lack of new ideas
3 dry mouth
 
Are you feeling the MCU Marvel Fatigue?
How much time you got?
"Marvel fatigue" happens when old and new fans get fed up by being fed characters that not many people wanted to see - Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Riri Williams, Shuri, Echo, Captain Falcon, etc.
It also happens when they do get a beloved character or story get tarnished by a bad show, or worse, they alter the character in all but name only - The Skrulls, Daredevil, Secret Wars, etc.
Fans start wondering why they can spend millions upon millions on those characters, but not on characters people have been clamoring to see since the beginning - new cast of X-Men, Blade, Ghost Rider, proper Captain Marvel sequel.
Marvel takes one step forward with Deadpool 3, then two steps back with Captain America 4 and Thunderbolts.
Avengers 5-6 are going to be memberberries overload, and it's from someone that actually loves memberberries, look at my comments for PIC S3 for example.
 
I'm not fatigued. Only a handful of missed for me. Secret Invasion and Eternals. A couple of average entries: Falcon and Winter Soldier, Brave New World, Quantumania. Really liked Wakanda Forever, Ms Marvel, Shang-Chi, Marvels, She-Hulk and Moon Knight. Loved No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, WandaVision and Loki. Daredevil, Thunderbolts and Deadpool & Wolverine seem to be a return to form. Wait and see for VisionQuest and Ironheart.
 
Are you feeling the MCU Marvel Fatigue?
Not really--for a certain reason.. Are you?
It'll be interesting to see if Spider-Man gets delayed.

Marvel's biggest IP? Doubtful.

I guess it's too late to move now, but I can't help but wonder if F4 wouldn't be best suited to a Christmastime release. That way there'd be three straight years of F4/Avengers holiday releases.

It makes one wonder if the FF had to be released "early" to get the fans heated due to the FF supposedly launches for Avengers films to come. Or, perhaps Marvel Studios realized well in advance that Cap4 and the Thunderbolts* were not not expected to bring back the very old days of massive MCU box-office success, so they needed something fresh, that's also that aforementioned launching pad.
 
How much time you got?
"Marvel fatigue" happens when old and new fans get fed up by being fed characters that not many people wanted to see - Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Riri Williams, Shuri, Echo, Captain Falcon, etc.

No one wanted movies about Captain America, Thor, the Guardians, Ant-Man or Shang-Chi either. Look how that turned out.

And why are you bringing up so many women in particular?

Fans start wondering why they can spend millions upon millions on those characters, but not on characters people have been clamoring to see since the beginning - new cast of X-Men, Blade, Ghost Rider, proper Captain Marvel sequel.

Because if they only "did what fans wanted", most of the MCU wouldn't exist.

Marvel takes one step forward with Deadpool 3, then two steps back with Captain America 4 and Thunderbolts.

So only do plotless messes that are nothing but nostalgia bait?
 
How much time you got?
"Marvel fatigue" happens when old and new fans get fed up by being fed characters that not many people wanted to see - Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Riri Williams, Shuri, Echo, Captain Falcon, etc.

That's a specious argument. Not many people wanted to see Iron Man or Thor or Star-Lord, or had even heard of them, until their movies turned out to be really good and made people want to see them. It's getting it completely backward to say that a movie's or show's success depends on prior interest in the characters. Good movies and shows create that interest. That's why Star Wars, featuring characters nobody in 1977 had ever heard of before, was a smash hit spawning endless sequels, while 1980's Flash Gordon, based on a character who'd been a household name for nearly half a century and was Lucas's inspiration for Star Wars, earned about 1/8 as much at the box office and was getting pulled from theaters after a few weeks in an era when films tended to stay in release for months.

And I find it highly... selective... that your list of characters "not many people wanted" consists exclusively of women and people of color.
 
That's a specious argument. Not many people wanted to see Iron Man or Thor or Star-Lord, or had even heard of them, until their movies turned out to be really good and made people want to see them. It's getting it completely backward to say that a movie's or show's success depends on prior interest in the characters. Good movies and shows create that interest. That's why Star Wars, featuring characters nobody in 1977 had ever heard of before, was a smash hit spawning endless sequels, while 1980's Flash Gordon, based on a character who'd been a household name for nearly half a century and was Lucas's inspiration for Star Wars, earned about 1/8 as much at the box office and was getting pulled from theaters after a few weeks in an era when films tended to stay in release for months.

And I find it highly... selective... that your list of characters "not many people wanted" consists exclusively of women and people of color.
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There is good chunk of stuff I liked in the MCU that I didn't care for or cared about in Marvel Comics. One that I did was Eternals and they totally dropped the ball. Didn't give a damn about the comics version of GofG, especially the "modern" team. MCU version is among the best. So I'm all for films and shows based on characters I don't care about.
 
Because if they only "did what fans wanted", most of the MCU wouldn't exist.
There's not a single Marvel project I've wanted after Captain America First Avenger.

Surprisingly, I've still enjoyed the films.

Especially Shang-Chi, Black Widow, and Daredevil.
 
The only recent Marvel production that I was disappointed by was Secret Invasion, and I'm really confused by why so many people seem to hate Eternals and Quantumania so much, I thought they were absolutely fantastic. Hell my mom, who's lukewarm on the overall MCU, thought Eternals was one of the best Marvel movies ever.
As much as I love Love & Thunder, I can see where people who aren't into Taika Waiti's style of humor might not have liked it.
That was kind of my point. Portman doesn't really seem to like the Marvel movies, except maybe the paycheck as she'd rather do something more "cinema". Luckily she's at a different stage in her career than Guinness was so she won't be remembered for being Jane Foster.
She's still done plenty of other action movies and things like that, so she doesn't seem to only be doing "cinema".
It'll be interesting to see if Spider-Man gets delayed.
That will probably depend on if it's storyline is reliant on Doomsady for it to make sense.
I guess it's too late to move now, but I can't help but wonder if F4 wouldn't be best suited to a Christmastime release. That way there'd be three straight years of F4/Avengers holiday releases.
No, they're going to want to have at least one big summer movie.
The cure to Marvel Fatigue is Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man and Chirs Evans as Captain America. If not available a Deadpool or Spiderman might be what you need.
Definitely not, the worst thing they could do is go backwards, we got plenty of them already, let's just continue to focus on doing something different. Rather than going backwards, they just need to find a new breakout character, that would be able to get fans excited about their movies the way those two did.
 
No one wanted movies about Captain America, Thor, the Guardians, Ant-Man or Shang-Chi either. Look how that turned out.
You're trying to pick fights where one doesn't exist.
Yeah nobody wanted those movies either at first, but after Marvel established themselves for over a decade they abandoned what made them great.
Good storytelling, great visuals, characters that people wanted to care about.
Perfect examples of ruining their own stories are Thor 1-3 - Thor 4, Captain Marvel - The Marvels, Doctor Strange 1 - DS:MoM.
CM and DS are what irritates me the most because they set those stories up to have perfect continuations but they ruined it hard.

And why are you bringing up so many women in particular?
Because those characters got the short end of the stick from Marvel themselves.
Establish Scarlet Witch as a favorite character, then ruin her first with WandaVision, then DS:MoM.
Establish Captain Marvel as a great character, don't even give her a proper sequel.
Try to establish She-Hulk but hire writers that have zero experience in writing court room drama, the show runner herself admitted she never read even a page of the comics.
Try to jam in Riri Williams in Wakanda, rather than focus on Wakanda itself, then delay her debut programming by two whole years.
Marvel is the one that treated them with disrespect, I am just pointing it out.

Because if they only "did what fans wanted", most of the MCU wouldn't exist.
Given the current situation, they might as well not.
So only do plotless messes that are nothing but nostalgia bait?
That's what they're already doing and did with NWH, D&W and with the two new Avengers movies. They put themselves in this situation.
 
Not really--for a certain reason.. Are you?
I really wanted to see a few more adventures with some of the OG Avengers before they got swapped out.

But I understand that the Respective Actors didn't want to renew their contracts and wanted to move on to other non-Marvel projects.

So their characters had to go.

Sadly, it's going to take time to warm up to the "New Avengers", and the Box Office #'s show.

Everytime you have to restart a franchise with a "New Avenger", it's going to take time for the masses to warm up to them.
 
That's a specious argument. Not many people wanted to see Iron Man or Thor or Star-Lord, or had even heard of them, until their movies turned out to be really good and made people want to see them. It's getting it completely backward to say that a movie's or show's success depends on prior interest in the characters. Good movies and shows create that interest. That's why Star Wars, featuring characters nobody in 1977 had ever heard of before, was a smash hit spawning endless sequels, while 1980's Flash Gordon, based on a character who'd been a household name for nearly half a century and was Lucas's inspiration for Star Wars, earned about 1/8 as much at the box office and was getting pulled from theaters after a few weeks in an era when films tended to stay in release for months.
There was a lot of interest in Iron Man and Thor at least, prior to their movies' releasing. Star-Lord yeah, I'll give you that.
After Iron-Man 2 fans also wanted a solo BW movie. But they got that after they killed off her character.
And I find it highly... selective... that your list of characters "not many people wanted" consists exclusively of women and people of color.
Yup. They do. Now tell me: where were the people of color for the Eternals "This movie is gonna save lives!" movie?
Did a bunch of south-east Asians flock to The Marvels because it had Pakistani representation? Nope. It is Marvel's biggest flop.
Where is She-Hulk 2nd season? Why did Marvel delay Iron Heart for two whole years after spending 150M on it?
Oh, yeah, what about Secret Invasion? That was headlined by the great Samuel L. Jackson. Why'd nobody watch it?
Armor Wars? People wanted that. They bungled it hard, first as a TV show, then as a movie, then scrapped it.
Not my fault that Marvel themselves gave the ladies and people of color horrible fucking movies and tanked their good will.

"Not many people wanted" = these characters were not as famous so wasn't in the public consciousness as much, but Marvel used to have the ability to make them household names.
But somehow they lost that ability.
They could make Groot a big fucking name, but made horrible tv shows out of Ms Marvel and She-Hulk, giving more ammo to the actual racists and sexists online.

And currently, look at the Blade fiasco.
Everyone wanted a new Blade after Endgame, even got a teaser with Maherharshalabaz Ali in Eternals.
Where'd that go?
Absolutely dropped the fucking ball after having a two fucking time Oscar winner wanting to inhabit that character.
They spent over a billion dollars making every other movie and tv shows nobody watched, but not Blade.

That, is Marvel fatigue.
 
right up to The Thunderbolts*, a film with worldwide earnings--as of 5-22-2025--of $331,705,238, so it recently recovered its production and marketing budget of $280 million, but its actual profit is a limp $51,705,238.

Doesn't work like that I'm afraid. Theaters take their cut as well. Generally, a 2 to 2.5x multiplier is used on box office returns to determine profitability. So, assuming Disney take home 50% of the box office, then their share of the returns currently stands at ~$165 million - more than $100 million short of the film's combined budget & marketing.

Breakeven territory is a long ways off (and exceedingly unlikely given the competition).
 
I don't have Marvel fatigue. I have Marvel frustration. A lot of that perhaps comes from how often they used to knock it out of the park. I got spoiled thinking it would always be this way.
But I still watch every series, pay for every movie, 9 times out of 10 I'm there opening night.
Endgame was me getting married to Marvel. Marriages have their ups and downs. I will stick through it.
 
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