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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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JD said:
But that doesn't totally rule out him being a Stark variant, since variants do sometimes have different names.
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That was what I am thinking. He is Stark but with a different name or I have also considered that Victor Von Doom somehow killed Stark from that world and somehow took over his body. Maybe they play with the idea that even though he isn't Stark he has retained some of that Stark's memories. Which makes it easy to help fool people into thinking he actually is Stark. Or what if he has even taken over the dead body of the MCU's Tony Stark and has access to his memories. We could see a Victor Von Doom who is conflicted because he has those memories of being a hero and has access to the feelings Stark had for Pepper and their daughter and his friends.
 
JD said:
I know some people have blown it off, but I find it hard to believe that there isn't some kind of story reason that they cast the guy who is very, very well known for playing Tony Stark as Dr. Doom.
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That is hardly the only thing Robert Downey, Jr. is very well known for, except among that segment of the audience that knows nothing beyond superhero movies because they've never bothered to broaden their horizons. Downey has been known for decades as a brilliant, chameleonic character actor who can disappear into a role. He's gotten two Oscar nominations and one Oscar win for doing exactly that, in Chaplin, Tropic Thunder, and Oppenheimer. It is grossly ignorant, and frankly insulting to Downey, to assume that the one and only thing he's capable of is playing Tony Stark.
 
Christopher said:
That is hardly the only thing Robert Downey, Jr. is very well known for, except among that segment of the audience that knows nothing beyond superhero movies because they've never bothered to broaden their horizons. Downey has been known for decades as a brilliant, chameleonic character actor who can disappear into a role. He's gotten two Oscar nominations and one Oscar win for doing exactly that, in Chaplin, Tropic Thunder, and Oppenheimer. It is grossly ignorant, and frankly insulting to Downey, to assume that the one and only thing he's capable of is playing Tony Stark.
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I don't think anyone doubts his acting talent or ability to play other roles and do a good job at it. But the idea they would do that in the same franchise which he has already, not only played a character but a iconic character and really the character who made the whole MCU possible, seems strange. You can't run from the Stark character/connection. His impact has been to big.
 
JD said:
Of course, but none of those other roles were related to the MCU.
Generally if you hear Patrick Stewart is in the next Star Trek movie or Mark Hamill is in the next Star Wars movie, you're generally going assume the roles are somehow related to Jean-Luc Picard or Luke Skywalker.
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And then Dobbu Scay happens.
 
JD said:
Of course, but none of those other roles were related to the MCU.
Generally if you hear Patrick Stewart is in the next Star Trek movie or Mark Hamill is in the next Star Wars movie, you're generally going assume the roles are somehow related to Jean-Luc Picard or Luke Skywalker.
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It is unwise to mistake assumptions for evidence.
 
Sure, but more often than not in a situation like this, the obvious answer is the answer. There are lots of other actors out there who just as good, and just as popular who could play Dr. Doom just as well as Downey, so obviously there must be a reason they cast him.
Obviously I can't know it with 100% that is it what's happen, but you all seem to be absolutely 100% certain that's it's not happening, and I don't think that's the case either. I've already seen a couple of articles referring to him as a variant of Tony Stark, so obviously @Jaydolph a Red Nosed Ape and I are not the only people who think this is what's happening.
Set Harth said:
And then Dobbu Scay happens.
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But that was a side voice roll in a movie where Mark Hamill was already playing Luke Skywalker, so it's not like they made huge comic con announcement that he was going to be playing the character. That kind of thing happens a lot, especially when it's just a small role where it's not worth hiring another actor just to say a couple lines.
 
JD said:
But that doesn't totally rule out him being a Stark variant, since variants do sometimes have different names.
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And sometimes real people have different names at different points in their life.

Maybe Doom's Stark connection will be as minor as Howard and Maria went on a mixed business/vacation trip to Latveria when Tony was a toddler, got killed somehow, the kiddo was adopted, and ended up with the name Victor Von Doom. He then wouldn't be "Tony Stark" in any moral/personality/familial sense anymore, but would still have Tony's face and potential high IQ for technological genius, and would still technically be a variant.


JD said:
Of course, but none of those other roles were related to the MCU.
Generally if you hear Patrick Stewart is in the next Star Trek movie or Mark Hamill is in the next Star Wars movie, you're generally going assume the roles are somehow related to Jean-Luc Picard or Luke Skywalker.
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100%.

Some MCU actors, such as Alfre Woodard and Gemma Chan, initially played minor enough characters that they could then play another, unrelated role without general audiences feeling thrown for a loop and getting annoyed. Downey and Evans aren't in that category.
 
JD said:
Oh yeah, I'm sure he's probably playing a variant, but for me it's just surprise that Chris Evans that actor is coming back after he was supposed to be done. Same goes for RDJ even though we know he's playing a new character.
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Often besides the vast amount of money there is also a deal for the studio to support another film that they want to make.
 
StarTrek1701 said:
Imagine what Disney's internal tracking must be showing for them to announce the return of Evans this early in pre-production.
Mackie didn't even get his movie released yet. He must be fuming.
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That will need to make phenomenal amounts of money to break even - I don't think it will the sort of turkey the marvels was but it's all uphill.

Mackie just isn't a lead actor - he's not got it.
 
JoeZhang said:
Mackie just isn't a lead actor - he's not got it.
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I disagree emphatically. Mackie is one of the most charismatic performers in the MCU. He did fine in the lead role in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and in season 2 of Netflix's Altered Carbon -- better than Joel Kinnaman, who played the same lead character (in a different synthetic body) in season 1.
 
JD said:
Generally if you hear Patrick Stewart is in the next Star Trek movie or Mark Hamill is in the next Star Wars movie, you're generally going assume the roles are somehow related to Jean-Luc Picard or Luke Skywalker.
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Mark Hamill has played both Luke Skywalker and Darth Bane.
 
Christopher said:
I disagree emphatically. Mackie is one of the most charismatic performers in the MCU. He did fine in the lead role in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and in season 2 of Netflix's Altered Carbon -- better than Joel Kinnaman, who played the same lead character (in a different synthetic body) in season 1.
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The weird thing about Mackie is he is a way better actor than Chris Evans. I think he might even win a Oscar or Emmy someday. Evans though did such a good job and has become so iconic in the role then it means Mackie will always be seen as inferior somewhat or like a side kick that has been elevated. The other interesting twist is if they went with Bucky it would be the exact same situation right down to Stan also being a better actor than Evans.
 
I have always been a fan of Mackie since I first noticed him in "The Hurt Locker." The only thing I didn't like him in was Altered Carbon. First season was good but they toned down the violence in season 2 and the story just felt overly preachy compared to season 1.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Mark Hamill has played both Luke Skywalker and Darth Bane.
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*Incoming message from a Rebel assault team on Scarif!*

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... A statement can be both factually accurate and also so contextually insignificant it becomes practically meaningless, in the sense that it wouldn't sway a single person's opinion on the matter at hand. And, congrats, you just made such a statement! :p
 
The ignore function is such a great tool to use on those who have nothing of actual substance to contribute to any conversation except ridiculous snark that only they find funny and everyone else finds annoying.

That said, Tim Russ has played Tuvok, a starfleet ensign in Generations and a terrorist on TNG.
 
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