Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[theenglish]

I think that people are forgetting that nobody outside of comic book fans cared about "Iron Man" when the movie came out, and what's more, RDJ was not a box office draw at the time. That film became profitable because of positive reviews and word of mouth.

As for Robert Downey, he was not Iron Man at the time, he was playing Robert Downey Jr. more than he was playing Iron Man. The statement I am Iron Man at the end of the movie was prescient because now people identify Iron Man as having a certain personality that the character did not have before RDJ played the character.

 

[Jayson1]

Downey Jr became so beloved that people still loved him after "Iron Man 2" which wasn't all that great of a movie.

 

[Tuskin38]

Iron Man 2 is better than 3

 

[theenglish]

Downey Jr became so beloved that people still loved him after "Iron Man 2" which wasn't all that great of a movie.

I really enjoyed it.

 

[Anwar]

Iron Man 2 is better than 3

Neither of the sequels are all that "Great", they're satisfying.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I know I'm in the minority but I think both of them are great, but not without their flaws. Flaws that I have no problem looking past.

 

[Jayson1]

I really like Iron Man 3. It doesn't have a great villain but that has been a issue in most MCU movies. Especially back then.

 

[Mage]

I actually felt that Iron Man 3 was a better movie than Iron Man 2.

 

[Set Harth]

The end battle has an unfortunate "this is to sell toys" vibe to it. It also suffers from being at night, in visibility terms.

 

[JD]

If I was doing the next movie I would have it set up, maybe in several movies that Wilson is out their busy trying to assemble the new Avengers team. Right now I am not even sure if their is a Avengers team after "Endgame."

That's exactly what they're doing, there's a scene in the trailer for Brave New World where Ross tells Sam they want him to start building a new Avengers team.

 

[Mage]

The end battle has an unfortunate "this is to sell toys" vibe to it. It also suffers from being at night, in visibility terms.

Perhaps, but I'm from the Netherlands and I we hardly see MCU toys here. Lego sets, a few of those Barbie sized action figures, some masks... that's it. So the entire 'toys' angle isn't something that hits a note here.
And I just felt the entire movie had a better structure than Iron Man, flowed better, had a better villain. And I have mentioned this before so I sound repetitive I apologize. But seeing a superhero struggle with anxiety, OCD and things like that.... For me personally, that hit a deep note.

 

[Set Harth]

Oh, I never saw the toys either, it was just a vibe.

 

[Tosk]

I personally think Iron Man Three is fabulous fun.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I personally think Iron Man Three is fabulous fun.

Me too

 

[Set Harth]

I have to admit the Trevor reveal scene was something else. For a few moments you feel like you're in the wrong movie!

 

[Anwar]

Anyways, the latest "Leak" for Thunderbolts is

Spoiler

The movie is actually a weapons test by Valentina. She assembled the team not as her Black Ops group but as the most formidable and powered folks she could find that were expendable. They're told they're being sent to kill someone inside the Lab, but it's really Sentry who's being tested to see how quickly he can kill them. The Thunderbolts figure this out and it's about them either talking Sentry down or evading him long enough to go after Valentine.

Dunno how legit this is.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anyways, the latest "Leak" for Thunderbolts is

Spoiler

The movie is actually a weapons test by Valentina. She assembled the team not as her Black Ops group but as the most formidable and powered folks she could find that were expendable. They're told they're being sent to kill someone inside the Lab, but it's really Sentry who's being tested to see how quickly he can kill them. The Thunderbolts figure this out and it's about them either talking Sentry down or evading him long enough to go after Valentine.

Dunno how legit this is.

Spoiler

Val needs to up her game if those are "most formidable and powered folks she could find" They're all basically the same power set.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

He can still be Captain America and still fill the role of Nick Fury as in being team leader. When I think of those with the best leadership skills I think it comes down to Sam Wilson and Rhodes.

...and "best leadership skills" does not mean Wilson is suitable for a Fury-like role. There is no reason he--in any released media as of this date--would ever be placed in that role for any legitimate reason based on his character development, when he is clearly a leader in the class of Rogers, despite making the identity his own. Again,

If I was doing the next movie I would have it set up, maybe in several movies that Wilson is out their busy trying to assemble the new Avengers team. Right now I am not even sure if their is a Avengers team after "Endgame."

Wilson is the only logical choice for the Avengers' next leader, so one should expect he would have a guiding hand in recruiting.

I think that people are forgetting that nobody outside of comic book fans cared about "Iron Man" when the movie came out, and what's more, RDJ was not a box office draw at the time. That film became profitable because of positive reviews and word of mouth.

Agreed--its a point I made days ago: RDJ in 1st Iron Man movie has to be viewed for the isolated performance / project he and the film had been in the year of its release, not pulling memories from both actor and character's entire run. IM1 was untested territory, and certainly did not have a massive impact as a superhero film the way The Dark Knight did that same year.

As for Robert Downey, he was not Iron Man at the time, he was playing Robert Downey Jr. more than he was playing Iron Man. The statement I am Iron Man at the end of the movie was prescient because now people identify Iron Man as having a certain personality that the character did not have before RDJ played the character.

Interesting point.

 

[Mage]

I personally think Iron Man Three is fabulous fun.

Me too

You know what....
I might just watch that tonight, I don't work early tomorrow. Some Latvian craftbeer and Iron Man 3 makes for a happy me.

 

[Jayson1]

That's exactly what they're doing, there's a scene in the trailer for Brave New World where Ross tells Sam they want him to start building a new Avengers team.

That's sort of my argument. The character is well liked enough to play this role within the MCU but not really popular enough to carry the movies in the way Iron Man or old Captain America can. I sort of call it Star among stars character. Like in the NBA back in they day you had popular players like a Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing,David Robinson etc but even among those stars Jordan was head and shoulders over even them. In the modern MCU I think you really only have 3 characters that are really on that Jordan level of popularity and two of them are not viable for most of the movies. That would be Spider-man, Deadpool and Jackman's Wolverine.

I suspect if we do see another character rise to that ranks it won't be from ones we have already seen a great deal of whether that is new Captain America, Doctor Strange etc. It will come from a brand new character whether they are a X-Men or something else. My other prediction is Fantastic Four is very possibly going to be the thing that replaces the Guardians. They will be like this specific team that is kind of doing their own thing but still also part of the bigger thing like when a Avengers movie comes along. I think The Eternals might have been that but it flopped and lots of people just didn't like the movie.