Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Jayson1]

Surprised to see the Lokis so low, but then again you but Echo at the bottom, too. Can't argue with for Great list, though or the Bad for that matter.

For me I liked the characters in Loki but it made some mistakes. In season 1 I felt the strength of the show was the friendship between Loki and Owen Wilson I liked the first few episodes the best. The show I I felt ended up being to much about Sylvie. Who I liked as a character but that wasn't playing to the shows strengths. I do think it would have been much better if they had more than 6 episodes to spread out the story. I also think it really made more sense for her to become the villain. Loki and Owen become friends as Loki starts to grown as a person. He meets Sylvie and they fall in love but then she betrays him in her desire to kill Kang. Loki and Owen then have to work together to stop her but then they fail. She kills Kang but killing that Kang ends up opening the door the universe going out of wack, which we saw in season 2.

I do feel like they fixed some of these issues in season 2 by bringing the focus back on Loki. I also liked having Ke Huy Quan in the show. Ironically I think Sylvie got to much attention in season 1 and not enough in season 2. I really wanted to learn more about her Oklahoma life, working at McDonalds. Just for laughs I would even have her wearing her McDonalds uniform the entire season.

 

[Jayson1]

I like Moon Knight more than I do She-Hulk and found it eminently watchable even in the slow moments and enjoy Echo more than both. It was more grounded and down-to-earth and organically humorous rather than brimming with over-the-top superheroics and fourth wall-breaking jokes.

The problem with Moon Knight was like with many of the shows. 6 episodes wasn't enough time to tell the story. Everything felt rushed.

 

[cooleddie74]

You may be right. That was a problem with Obi-Wan Kenobi. 6 episodes and at least one was just dreadful (thankfully Moon Knight had no stinkers), leaving five to wrap up the whole story.

 

[Nerys Myk]

For me I liked the characters in Loki but it made some mistakes. In season 1 I felt the strength of the show was the friendship between Loki and Owen Wilson I liked the first few episodes the best. The show I I felt ended up being to much about Sylvie. Who I liked as a character but that wasn't playing to the shows strengths. I do think it would have been much better if they had more than 6 episodes to spread out the story. I also think it really made more sense for her to become the villain. Loki and Owen become friends as Loki starts to grown as a person. He meets Sylvie and they fall in love but then she betrays him in her desire to kill Kang. Loki and Owen then have to work together to stop her but then they fail. She kills Kang but killing that Kang ends up opening the door the universe going out of wack, which we saw in season 2.

I do feel like they fixed some of these issues in season 2 by bringing the focus back on Loki. I also liked having Ke Huy Quan in the show. Ironically I think Sylvie got to much attention in season 1 and not enough in season 2. I really wanted to learn more about her Oklahoma life, working at McDonalds. Just for laughs I would even have her wearing her McDonalds uniform the entire season.

To be fair, Sylvie is Loki.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, just a variant Loki who's a woman.

 

[Jayson1]

To be fair, Sylvie is Loki.

I know. It's one of the interesting things I like about with them falling in love. Also her betraying him feels so much like a Loki thing to do. You know it would have been fun if she also was friends with Owen Wilson variant. What they both had a Owen Wilson best friend.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I know. It's one of the interesting things I like about with them falling in love. Also her betraying him feels so much like a Loki thing to do. You know it would have been fun if she also was friends with Owen Wilson variant. What they both had a Owen Wilson best friend.

Played by Rebel Wilson?

 

[Jayson1]

You may be right. That was a problem with Obi-Wan Kenobi. 6 episodes and at least one was just dreadful (thankfully Moon Knight had no stinkers), leaving five to wrap up the whole story.

I think that show had more than a few problems but 6 episodes didn't help. In the end I think what really hurt the show is it didn't focus on what I think is the most important part of Kenobi's life at this point and that is the conflict he has with Owen and Beru over the training of Luke. That and his depression after loosing everything he did. To me this show should have been given the Andor treatment In that they are going to do a more mature and adult look at Kenobi.

 

[Jayson1]

Played by Rebel Wilson?

That would work. But I was even thinking of Ben Stiller.

 

[cooleddie74]

Cliimbing out of water inside the Fortress Inquisitorius and suddenly being bone dry didn't help, and Tala disposing of two armed Stormtroopers by simply pushing hard on the face of their helmet or knocking them up against a wall was not a factor helping my opinion of that episode.

 

[Jayson1]

The special effects were also bad in that series. I would say they looked at bad as what you would see on Babylon 5 but that would be to harsh. Let's just say those special effects weren't quite so special.

 

[Set Harth]

it's space-y star wars tech, quick drying fabric, just like insta bread, that's the ticket

 

[Grendelsbayne]

My ranking:

Incredible:
WandaVision
Shang-Chi
Wakanda Forever
Dr. Strange 2
Werewolf by Night
GotG Vol. 3

Great:
Deadpool & Wolverine
SM No Way Home

Good but flawed:
Echo
Loki (All seasons)
Black Widow
Falcon and the Winter Soldier
What If? (All seasons)
Guardians Holiday Special

Watchable/Fun enough:
Ms. Marvel
She-hulk
The Marvels
Ant-man Quantumania
Hawkeye
Thor Love & Thunder
Moon Knight

Poor:
Eternals

Awful:
Secret Invasion

 

[Jayson1]

Did anyone on this planet like "Secret Invasion?"

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Did anyone on this planet like "Secret Invasion?"

There was somebody in here arguing why it was better than Hawkeye a few months after it came out. I forget who it was.

 

[cooleddie74]

I liked Sam Jackson. I liked Ben Mendlesohn. I liked Emilia Clarke. I liked Don Cheadle.

The plot was a boring, plodding mess.

 

[Mage]

I know. It's one of the interesting things I like about with them falling in love. Also her betraying him feels so much like a Loki thing to do.

That..... was the whole point. Loki learning to love himself despite his bad sides, and the mirror that was needed where he saw that the one person he keeps betraying the most is himself.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Rewatching Ms Marvel. Forgot just how fun this show was. First episode was brilliant. Brought back memories of my life as a young nerd.

 

[cooleddie74]

Ms. Marvel is one of my favorites. Fun, whimsical, innocent and yet full of thrilling moments and risks to Kamala's safety. They got the formula for that series just right.

 

[Mage]

Rewatching Ms Marvel. Forgot just how fun this show was. First episode was brilliant. Brought back memories of my life as a young nerd.

Ms. Marvel is one of my favorites. Fun, whimsical, innocent and yet full of thrilling moments and risks to Kamala's safety. They got the formula for that series just right.

That show started in a period when my life was superhectic. That hasn't ended, but I have managed to pretend that I'm handling it now. I started the first episode and should definitely give it another shot.