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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Kai the spy said:
You know, it's okay to say "I don't like" and "I'd prefer" and "I'd be excited if". No need to pretend you have any unique insight into what the majority of the audience liked or disliked.
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It's not about having unique insight. It's just a opinion based on the impression I have gotten while following the MCU over the years. It's of course somewhat subjective as all opinions are. In fact lots of times my opinions are not even based on what I prefer. For example I really like 'Ms Marvel" as a show. Yet I am also aware that sadly the show was a flop in terms of ratings. I do think it would have been done better if it had been made in the past when the MCU was going strong.

That is because I feel like some of the these more niche things like Ms Marvel and the upcoming Agatha are shows that work best as alternatives to a the more bigger more mainsteam hits. For example the first two Ant Man movies were a success in part because the MCU was going strong at the time. Since the MCU is struggling now I feel like they are going to put a focus on its more mainstream popular characters and they won't do the more niche stuff until they have fully recovered thus allowing them once again to do more offbeat stuff.
 
Jayson1 said:
But by being lesser than those movies is what makes it mid. Granted I do think the movie itself isn't all that bad. It's not a terrible movie for the most part. It was about as good as you could expect due to the situation. Also in many ways the movie being as depressing as it is because of the actors death also makes it one that is a little harder in terms of rewatching. But I still think having a Black Panther movie without Black Panther in it and also not being able to match it;s iconic first movie does take it down a notch.
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Again, by that definition you're saying that Winter Soldier, Ragnarok, Guardians 1 and 3, Multiverse of Madness - hell, even Civil War, Iron Man 3, Far from Home, Captain Marvel and both the first two Avengers film - are all mid.

That's not what mid means.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Promising.



I would dump some of that line up, and I see you eventually mentioned...



On the production side, Mackie has put as much work into his character and building on the MCU as much as most who were ever cast in this franchise. That, and in-universe, he's the symbol of the Avengers, so if Disney wanted to brand their collective foreheads with "controversy", they would leave Mackie's Cap out of the next Avengers film.



Whether or not the MCU recovers from phase four is anyone's guess, but Disney should have been prepared for life after two actors called it quits.



It makes no sense to shove Spidey-Lad into any lead role in the next Avengers film. From a production standpoint, it would appear to be the worst kind of fan service, and as noted earlier, if Wilson's Cap is not the main lead for in universe and cultural reasons which have been argued since his streaming series (i.e. the fight against those still pissed off that Mackie is Captain America), then Disney should go ahead and burn their foreheads with the "controversy" brand. Moreover, in-universe, Spider-Man has zero experience as a leader, lacks the kind of necessary tactical mind seen with former soldiers (as seen with Wilson and Rogers) a group would need. It cannot be a team of superpowers blasting in every direction with no leadership.
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Spidey being the lead though I think makes the most sense in that with no Tony Stark or Sam Rogers he is your most popular characters left. Now I think Downey Jr despite being the villain is going to be used in a way that he is not doing just villain stuff in the movie. That is one of the reasons I brought up the idea of him and Spidey bonding together. So if I was to look at the issue in terms of most screen time on the movie I think both of them with be 1 and 2.

I think Hulk and Thor will be high on the list as well because they are phase 1 characters. Everyone else's roles I think are more up in the air. depending on the story. Also the Deadpool movie was just way to successful to not IMO at least get either Deadpool or Wolverine back, even if it's just a extended cameo. I am personally hoping for Ms Marvel and Kate Bishop stuff and I think it makes lots of sense to put them in this movie. even if the roles are small if your goal is to someday do a Young Avengers movie. The rest of the team though I do think you got more leeway to pick and choose, who to use.
 
Christopher said:
What does that have to do with their storytelling choices? You're not the only person in their audience.
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I am when I watch a movie. It has to speak to me. I'm not overly concerned with the guy behind me. If a storytelling choice falls flat, I'm not enamored with that choice. Even if it follows some "text book" reasoning
 
Mage said:
But with Peter and Spider-Man being the same person for the Avengers, what does that do?
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The impression I got was that they still remember Spider-Man, they just don't remember that Peter Parker is the person in the suit. So they remember working with Spider-Man, but they've forgotten anytime they interacted with him just as Peter. And I'm not really sure how much of an impact that would really have with most of the Avengers since Tony was the one who had the most to do with him as Peter.
 
JD said:
The impression I got was that they still remember Spider-Man, they just don't remember that Peter Parker is the person in the suit. So they remember working with Spider-Man, but they've forgotten anytime they interacted with him just as Peter. And I'm not really sure how much of an impact that would really have with most of the Avengers since Tony was the one who had the most to do with him as Peter.
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That's how I think it works. Granted their is some details that are unknown. Like their is actually paper trails to prove a Peter Parker exist or existed. So making people forget would have to go deeper than just wiping peoples memories. Still I think the basic idea though is it makes sense that when we see him again he will likely be feeling really lonely. Sure people will know SpiderMan but what is his life like when he takes off the mask and suit. That is a interesting idea to explore IMO.
 
I'd assume it's not so much a spell to "make people forget", more like one to "make it impossible for people to remember". Magic is crazy. ;)
 
Doing a rewatch of the MCU films. A few films into the "Multiverse Saga". First its taken a couple of films just to get to the Multiverse. Black Widow and the Eternals were pretty light on the subject. But who am I to question how Marvel/Disney+ sorts their films? Some Infinity light films in the "Infinity Saga" too. ;)

The post and mid credit scenes are intriguing me. I'm curious as to when and if they will be addressed.
  • The one from Black Widow were addressed in Hawkeye and will follow up no doubt in Thunderbolts*
  • Shang-Chi has the mysterious origins of the Ten Rings and the signal in to space. Plus we have Xu Xialing taking of the the Ten Rings organization. Possibilities of some space born hijinks and some down to earth stuff. (Daredevil?)
  • In The Eternals we meet Eros/Starfox from a different branch of Eternals, who is Thanos' brother. Not sure The Eternals will get a follow up. But it's possible the Guardians and Thor might, so he could be threaded into those. Captain Marvel is also a cosmic character and in the comics Eros was introduced there. We also have Dane Whitman getting the Ebony Blade with Blade off camera issuing a warning. Of course that was a few Blade scripts, directors and actors ago. Not too keen on tying the Ebony Blade and the character Blade together. Seems a stretch.
  • Spider-Man No Way Home feature an appearance by Venom from the Sony-verse who leaves a bit of himself behind. Set up for an MCU Venom, possibly in the next Spider-Man film. Or even Secret Wars.
  • In Doctor Strange ITMOM, Strange meets Clea and heads to the Dark Dimension. So the next Strange film might cover that.
  • Thor: Love and Thunder features Zeus sending Hercules to get vengeance on Thor. Seems like some Secret Wars potential to me.
  • Black Panther Wakanda Forever's scene is somewhat self contained and introduced T'Challa's son. Barring a major time jump he'll be a kid for the foreseeable future.
  • Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. I guess we all know how problematic this one's post credit scenes are. :lol:
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. Self contained for the most part. The line up seen could show up in Secret Wars.
  • The Marvels. Monica winds up in a different universe where her mother is alive and is a hero named Binary who is affiliated with the X-Men of that reality (the FoX-men?) Once again it sounds like setup for Secret Wars.
Of course everything and everyone on this list could be rolled into Secret Wars and Doomsday. :p
 
I really hope we never see Eros and Pip again. (Not without a rethink on both, at least.)
 
Nerys Myk said:
Doing a rewatch of the MCU films. A few films into the "Multiverse Saga". First its taken a couple of films just to get to the Multiverse. Black Widow and the Eternals were pretty light on the subject. But who am I to question how Marvel/Disney+ sorts their films? Some Infinity light films in the "Infinity Saga" too. ;)

The post and mid credit scenes are intriguing me. I'm curious as to when and if they will be addressed.
  • The one from Black Widow were addressed in Hawkeye and will follow up no doubt in Thunderbolts*
  • Shang-Chi has the mysterious origins of the Ten Rings and the signal in to space. Plus we have Xu Xialing taking of the the Ten Rings organization. Possibilities of some space born hijinks and some down to earth stuff. (Daredevil?)
  • In The Eternals we meet Eros/Starfox from a different branch of Eternals, who is Thanos' brother. Not sure The Eternals will get a follow up. But it's possible the Guardians and Thor might, so he could be threaded into those. Captain Marvel is also a cosmic character and in the comics Eros was introduced there. We also have Dane Whitman getting the Ebony Blade with Blade off camera issuing a warning. Of course that was a few Blade scripts, directors and actors ago. Not too keen on tying the Ebony Blade and the character Blade together. Seems a stretch.
  • Spider-Man No Way Home feature an appearance by Venom from the Sony-verse who leaves a bit of himself behind. Set up for an MCU Venom, possibly in the next Spider-Man film. Or even Secret Wars.
  • In Doctor Strange ITMOM, Strange meets Clea and heads to the Dark Dimension. So the next Strange film might cover that.
  • Thor: Love and Thunder features Zeus sending Hercules to get vengeance on Thor. Seems like some Secret Wars potential to me.
  • Black Panther Wakanda Forever's scene is somewhat self contained and introduced T'Challa's son. Barring a major time jump he'll be a kid for the foreseeable future.
  • Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. I guess we all know how problematic this one's post credit scenes are. :lol:
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. Self contained for the most part. The line up seen could show up in Secret Wars.
  • The Marvels. Monica winds up in a different universe where her mother is alive and is a hero named Binary who is affiliated with the X-Men of that reality (the FoX-men?) Once again it sounds like setup for Secret Wars.
Of course everything and everyone on this list could be rolled into Secret Wars and Doomsday. :p
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I think lots of these things will never be addressed. Some might be referenced but the impression I get is they are right now basically planning on doing a kind of back to basics reboot to the MCU. That is one of the reasons they are trying to cut down on the number of movies and shows they will release during a year. The MCU got a little to esoteric for it's own good. I think we going to be seeing less space and multi-verse stuff soon. When the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom crossover that will be it for the multi-verse stuff, except in case of bringing back Deadpool.
 
The Man himself has said there are no immediate plans for a Eternals sequel. However, since a part of that movie will be touched upon in CA:BNW, we ofcourse how no idea yet if elements from that movie can return in some shape or another.

www.joblo.com

Eternals 2: Kevin Feige provides an update on the fate of the Marvel sequel

Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige provides an update on the fate of Eternals 2, and the news isn't good.
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Tosk said:
They're not shy about incorporating stuff from "discarded" projects, no matter how unloved so I have no doubt bits and pieces will show up over the years.
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Exactly. And there definitely were elements of the Eternals I liked. Just, as a movie, it was very lacking to me.
 
Tosk said:
They're not shy about incorporating stuff from "discarded" projects, no matter how unloved so I have no doubt bits and pieces will show up over the years.
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I expect that as well. Same with characters. I think we will see more of Ms Marvel. That's because even people who didn't like the show actually like the character and actor. I don't expect anymore Ant Man movies, especially after had bad the last one flopped but people do like Paul Rudd and am expecting to see him be used in other movies.
 
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