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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Christopher said:
rather than making the mistake of BvS (and Amazing Spider-Man 2, the Tom Cruise The Mummy, etc.) where they were so focused on setting up the sequels they assumed they'd have that it got in the way of telling the film's own story.
How does BvS belong in this category? Very little in the film was setting up things to come afterwards, mostly at the end, and it wasn't enough to get in the way. And sequels did, in fact, happen.
 
I don't know if English has a proper term for this, but during the summer, we have this thing in the Netherlands called 'cucumber season' concerning news, tv and shit like that that. It means there's nothing really going on and they just report anything semi interesting when it comes to news.
Now, with the current strikes going on, something similar is happening when it comes to interesting stuff about movies and tv-shows. So yeah..... There's this....

https://www.joblo.com/the-incredible-hulk-director-says-sequel-had-good-stuff/
 
I don't know if English has a proper term for this, but during the summer, we have this thing in the Netherlands called 'cucumber season' concerning news, tv and shit like that that. It means there's nothing really going on and they just report anything semi interesting when it comes to news.

I think we call it "silly season." Though Wikipedia claims that's the British term, and North Americans just say "slow news season." I'm not convinced of that; I've only ever heard the phrase "slow news day."
 
How does BvS belong in this category? Very little in the film was setting up things to come afterwards, mostly at theand end, and it wasn't enough to get in the way. And sequels did, in fact, happen.

Thank you. I can only think of three minor scenes - Bruce Wayne viewing Luthor's files about Wonder Woman, the Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman; Diana Prince viewing those same files; and Bruce promising to find the others in order to deal with the future threat of Steppenwolf. That's it. If you put those sequences together, it's less than 10 minutes. Possibly less than 5.

The MCU had more or less done the same with its post-credit scenes in the Phases 1 to 3 movies - especially Phase 1. And like those scenes from "Batman v. Superman", they were done in small doses.
 
There is the matter of the scene borrowed from COIE where dark-future Flash communicates with present-day Bruce. One might argue this had a kind of payoff in the dark-future scenes in the ZSJL, but if Snyder's film series arc had played out as originally intended, perhaps we would have seen the same incident but from Barry's POV in the future. So that was essentially setting up stuff that never cinematically happened. But the rest of the setup in the film is just setup for JL itself.
Thank you. I can only think of three minor scenes - Bruce Wayne viewing Luthor's files about Wonder Woman, the Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman; Diana Prince viewing those same files; and Bruce promising to find the others in order to deal with the future threat of Steppenwolf. That's it.
There's also Batman visiting Luthor in prison and the dirt rising off the coffin at the end ( but maybe you were including those in Bruce promising to find the others ).
 
Good for them. As much as I love the MCU films and while I haven't been as critical of the CGI output as of late as others (but I see why), I'm glad they're standing up against clearly bad work environments and hopefully that will lead to impactful changes.

I'm also loving how the writers' and actors' strikes are causing more and more people to unionize their fields. The current strikes weren't the start of that movement but they're certainly increasing the momentum for it.
 
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Supposedly Secret Invasion cost $212 million to make and no one can figure out where all the money went.
 
Some VFX workers at Marvel have voted to unionise. I wonder if this will have any impact on the occasionally-criticised Marvel SFX (there are lots of stories online about VFX workers being underpaid and overworked, leading to poor quality onscreen). https://trib.al/42qDJc4
Apparently it's just the on-set VFX people. All the VFX house people are still SOL.

Can anyone make out the action figure he's playing with at the beginning? Looks like Robocop but I can't tell for certain.
Looks like a NovaCorps soldier. Has the three circles on the chest.
 
The Makeup FX, the A-List cast which includes Oscar and Emmy winners and expensive foreign European Locations.

Expensive foreign locations? Some dilapitated and abandoned old base in eastern Europe? I hardly think so.

Honest to god unless they paid all of the award nominated and actual winners double digit millions i don't see where they spent that kind of money. Certainly not on a huge amount of VFX.
 
Expensive foreign locations? Some dilapitated and abandoned old base in eastern Europe? I hardly think so.

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine they had to massively rewrite the series and did four months of additional shooting, which is almost as much time as they spent shooting the first version.

So basically if you halve the budget that's what it was supposed to actually cost.
 
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine they had to massively rewrite the series and did four months of additional shooting, which is almost as much time as they spent shooting the first version.

And yet it still ended up being a show saying "Hey, maybe we shouldn't see Russia as the bad guys after all," which is really tone-deaf right now. Maybe the rewrite wasn't massive enough.
 
And yet it still ended up being a show saying "Hey, maybe we shouldn't see Russia as the bad guys after all," which is really tone-deaf right now. Maybe the rewrite wasn't massive enough.
Maybe we shouldn’t see Russia (pop 144M) as bad guys, but the individual **** in charge and the croneys who keep him there?

Maybe that’s a bit of nuance worth exploring.
 
Maybe we shouldn’t see Russia (pop 144M) as bad guys, but the individual **** in charge and the croneys who keep him there?

Maybe that’s a bit of nuance worth exploring.

In the abstract, sure, but I don't see how that's relevant here, since the plot entailed a Skrull attempt to frame the Russian government for attempting to start a war.
 
And yet it still ended up being a show saying "Hey, maybe we shouldn't see Russia as the bad guys after all," which is really tone-deaf right now. Maybe the rewrite wasn't massive enough.

There are a lot of nations in this world that are "bad guys". Russia is not alone.


rather than making the mistake of BvS (and Amazing Spider-Man 2, the Tom Cruise The Mummy, etc.) where they were so focused on setting up the sequels they assumed they'd have that it got in the way of telling the film's own story.

I find it ironic that many still criticize the DCEU for creating an "Avengers-style" movie like "Batman v. Superman" . . . if you want to call it that. Yet, during the same year, the MCU had released "Captain America: Civil War", which turned out to be more of an "Avengers-style" movie than "BvS". And it also introduced Black Panther and Spider-man before both had their solo films. Come to think of it, both Black Widow and Hawkeye had appeared in numerous MCU productions before their solo film/TV series.
 
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Well, yes... the saga of Black Widow getting to a solo movie was a long and tortuous one.

And Hawkeye? How does one explain Black Panther and Spider-man showing up in "Cap 3"? Or explain how a Captain America movie become an Avengers one? With Iron Man as the co-leading character?:shrug:
 
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