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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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JD said:
I still find it a bit ridiculous that it's taken this long to finally get a BW movie. One of the biggest mistakes Marvel made was not giving us a BW solo movie during phase 2. I think Scarlett Johanson had already been the lead several hit movies at that point, and people liked the character, so there really was no reason not to do one at that point. If they really didn't want her to lead the movie by herself, for some unclear reason, then they could have always just done a Black Widow/Hawkeye movie.

As for the news about the directors, I've never heard of any of them so I have no preference.
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The reason is because the character doesn't lend itself to a trilogy from a storytelling POV, and Phase 1-3 was all about the trilogy franchises.

Black Widow was more of a supporting hero in the MCU, part of Team Cap, alongside Falcon and now Bucky.


I also think these rumblings about a BW solo movie might be an intentional misdirect, in case the character actually dies off in A4.


Captain Marvel is definitely being positioned as Marvel Studio's 'Wonder Woman' instead, and CM is definitely a character that lends itself to a trilogy.
 
Kane_Steel said:
I also think these rumblings about a BW solo movie might be an intentional misdirect, in case the character actually dies off in A4.
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Wouldn't matter considering the rumblings place the film sometime in the past. Besides, the studio has already met with several female directors which gives the production legitimacy. If this was all a shame to deliberately misdirect, there will be a lot of understandably righteous outcry.
 
I think, instead, this is the supposed all-female teamup team that many MCU actresses were talking to Feige about.

Assuming, of course, that Marvel actually met with these female directors.... and it isn't more misdirection given to the industry trades.

It doesn't make sense to go small scale and backtrack with a Black Widow prequel trilogy this late in the game. It's a step backwards, while Phase 4 seems to be pushing forward towards larger scale, cosmic stories.
 
Marvel's publicity engine is a very well oiled machine at this point and they never waste an opportunity to undercut the opposition. So if they're holding back announcements, it's probably because they want to maximise visibility when it's most impactful for ticket sales and possibly to keep something in reserve so they can take some wind out of WB/DC's sails if they can. ;)
 
Kane_Steel said:
The reason is because the character doesn't lend itself to a trilogy from a storytelling POV, and Phase 1-3 was all about the trilogy franchises.
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I don't see why, she's a spy, if we can 25 Bond movies, 5 movies and a TV series for Jack Ryan, and 4 movies out of Jason Bourne, I think they could probably find a way to get three movies for Natasha.
Even just looking at the character's history she's had 6 solo comic book series, with 2 lasting 3 issues, 1 lasting 6, 1 lasting 8, 1 lasting 20, and the most recent lasting 12 issues. So that is 52 issues focused on her, there are obviously plenty of stories that you can tell about the character.
 
I really like Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow. I really wish they would have done a Hawkeye and Black Widow Spy Thriller movie a few years back. Like right after the first Avengers movie, a lead up to Winter Soldier.
 
I wish those in charge of the MCU franchise would let an 'auteur' director have their way with one of these movies.

Kor
 
I hadn't seen any of Taika Waititi's or Ryan Coogler's films before they signed up to direct their respective films, so I trust Marvel on this selection. Plus, Lore sounds like a fascinating film so I'll have to check it out.
 
Kor said:
I wish those in charge of the MCU franchise would let an 'auteur' director have their way with one of these movies.

Kor
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The problem with auteur directors is that they usually don't want to have to be part of a bigger story. They just want total control to do their own thing and not have to play by anyone elses' rules. It's like how Nolan didn't want to have his movies to have anything to do with a bigger universe because it messed with his "vision" or whatever. "Auteur" directors are precisely the people you DON'T want working in a Shared Universe, you want team players.
 
So … if S.H.I.E.L.D. will exist in “Avengers 4″ (I checked the IMDB site for the movie's cast), does this mean that the remaining cast of “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” will be featured in the movie? If not, what happened to them, following Thanos’ snap? None of them were affected by it. The only person who should be dead is Phil Coulson. So, how will Kevin Feige explain this? Or will he simply brush it under the table … as usual?
 
LJones41 said:
So … if S.H.I.E.L.D. will exist in “Avengers 4″ (I checked the IMDB site for the movie's cast), does this mean that the remaining cast of “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” will be featured in the movie? If not, what happened to them, following Thanos’ snap? None of them were affected by it. The only person who should be dead is Phil Coulson. So, how will Kevin Feige explain this? Or will he simply brush it under the table … as usual?
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The snap happened after the end of the last episode. We didn't see its effects on the cast, they thought about including it but figured if that was the last episode (they weren't sure about renewal) they should end it on a happy ending than a downer.

Since the snap will somehow partly be undone by the next Avengers film (with other characters being permanently killed so there's still consequence) the next season of AOS will take place in that reality.
 
The reason is because the character doesn't lend itself to a trilogy from a storytelling POV, and Phase 1-3 was all about the trilogy franchises.
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I don't buy it. This sounds like an excuse. The MCU could have easily created a personal trilogy for either the Black Widow or Hawkeye, if they had wanted to. It's obvious Kevin Feige didn't want to.


The snap happened after the end of the last episode. We didn't see its effects on the cast, they thought about including it but figured if that was the last episode (they weren't sure about renewal) they should end it on a happy ending than a downer.

Since the snap will somehow partly be undone by the next Avengers film (with other characters being permanently killed so there's still consequence) the next season of AOS will take place in that reality.
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There are going to be S.H.I.E.L.D. agents featured in "Avengers 4". For the first time, the MCU has a good opportunity to feature the series' main cast members (aside from Clark Gregg) in the upcoming film before the show returns for its sixth season or make a strong connection between the series and the 2019 movie. Why is that so hard for Feige to conceive?
 
LJones41 said:
So … if S.H.I.E.L.D. will exist in “Avengers 4″ (I checked the IMDB site for the movie's cast), does this mean that the remaining cast of “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” will be featured in the movie? If not, what happened to them, following Thanos’ snap? None of them were affected by it. The only person who should be dead is Phil Coulson. So, how will Kevin Feige explain this? Or will he simply brush it under the table … as usual?
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I'm not positive, but I believe the movie and TV parts of Marvel Studios are pretty much separate entities these days, so that makes the kind of direct crossovers between a lot less likely than they were in the early days. As far as I know Kevin Feige has absolutely nothing to do with any of the MCU shows, I believe it's Jeph Loeb who's in charge of them.

LJones41 said:
I don't buy it. This sounds like an excuse. The MCU could have easily created a personal trilogy for either the Black Widow or Hawkeye, if they had wanted to. It's obvious Kevin Feige didn't want to.
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Actually, it was Ike Perlmutter that refused to let them do a Black Widow movie, he wouldn't let them do any movies that didn't focus on a white guy. I believe the only reason we were finally able to get Black Panther, and Captain Marvel is because he left.
I will admit that does not explain why we didn't get a Hawkeye movie though.



There are going to be S.H.I.E.L.D. agents featured in "Avengers 4". For the first time, the MCU has a good opportunity to feature the series' main cast members (aside from Clark Gregg) in the upcoming film before the show returns for its sixth season or make a strong connection between the series and the 2019 movie. Why is that so hard for Feige to conceive?
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Which S.H.I.E.L.D. agents are you referring too? I didn't see any in the cast list of Wikipedia.
I can't really see more than a passing reference to The Snap, if it even still happens after the events of A4.
We haven't gotten any really direct connections to the events of the movies for quite a while, and I can't really see that changing. If the events of Infinity War and A4 aren't wiped out by A4, then I'm thinking that they will probably have happened between seasons of AoS, and we might get one or two quick references to what happened to the cast members and then we'll move on to what the season's stories will be.
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