Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[TREK_GOD_1]

It's worth bearing in mind that the tone of the original Rami movies are vastly different from the modern MCU Spider-man movies, or indeed, the 'Amazing Spider-Man' duology.
Rami was deliberatly going the full camp and melodrama route; channelling the original 60's version of the character that he grew up with (which also plays into why he had no clue what to do with Venom.)

...and Raimi did not want to use Venom in SM3, which were correct instincts, as the character was completely out of place with all that Raimi established. The Sandman plot was the true focal point / heart of the film.

So the rumours about RDJ (and presumably others who’ve died or otherwise departed the MCU onscreen) are not to be believed, according to Kevin Feige: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...99pVzT7Gre4zAPkTe1HnbPwSbkvSJG9Lo72zNMmLTL1Z4

Great news. It would have been a move of pure desperation to bring RDJ (and any other actor no longer associated with the MCU) back to this franchise.

 

[eschaton]

Great news. It would have been a move of pure desperation to bring RDJ (and any other actor no longer associated with the MCU) back to this franchise.

Isn't the whole point of Secret Wars that basically every single iteration of every single Marvel character in the multiverse is like, jammed together?

Given that is true, I would be shocked if RDJ/Evans/ScarJo don't at least get a bit part.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Isn't the whole point of Secret Wars that basically every single iteration of every single Marvel character in the multiverse is like, jammed together?

Given that is true, I would be shocked if RDJ/Evans/ScarJo don't at least get a bit part.

I'd rather the MCU respect the build-up / payoff to the end of arcs for the three original characters. It would make that world/universe appear to have consequences others have to accept and move on (pretty much Sam's message to Bucky in their D+ series).

 

[Set Harth]

The Stones and Mjolnir had to be sent back though, remember?

Gamora didn't.

 

[eschaton]

I'd rather the MCU respect the build-up / payoff to the end of arcs for the three original characters. It would make that world/universe appear to have consequences others have to accept and move on (pretty much Sam's message to Bucky in their D+ series).

Well yeah. I presume if we see them, it will be alters from elsewhere in the multiverse, rather than the same versions (similar to Loki), not actually undoing their deaths.

If you are going with an infinite multiverse, any idea of consequences is just straight out the window anyway. That's the whole point of Everything, Everywhere, All at Once.

 

[Christopher]

Isn't the whole point of Secret Wars that basically every single iteration of every single Marvel character in the multiverse is like, jammed together?

The more recent comics event to be called Secret Wars, sure. That doesn't require the MCU project with that name to do the exact same thing, as we've seen with the massive changes they've made to Civil War, Infinity War, Ragnarok, Secret Invasion, etc. It will probably follow the broad strokes of the idea, but in its own very distinct way, just like always.

Plus, of course, what the writers may want to do in a movie is constrained by real-world limits like actor availability. If the old stars don't want to appear, then they won't. The alternative is to do what The Flash did and tack on CGI doubles, but hopefully they won't sink to that.

 

[cooleddie74]

I for one would love to see the Lou Ferrigno Hulk return and show that the Bill Bixby Hulk series is its own unique universe. Bixby being dead might mean we don't get a Deepfake recreation of David Banner but, hey, you never know. Bixby's estate might well be up for letting the producers use Bill's likeness if the story calls for it.

 

[theenglish]

Gamora didn't.

Neither did Thanos.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I for one would love to see the Lou Ferrigno Hulk return and show that the Bill Bixby Hulk series is its own unique universe. Bixby being dead might mean we don't get a Deepfake recreation of David Banner but, hey, you never know. Bixby's estate might well be up for letting the producers use Bill's likeness if the story calls for it.

Bring in the tv movies’ Thor and Daredevil too. And an overdue Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man too!

 

[CorporalCaptain]

At the time, I thought the 1978 Dr. Strange pilot co-starring Jessica Walter was cool AF.

 

[Christopher]

I for one would love to see the Lou Ferrigno Hulk return and show that the Bill Bixby Hulk series is its own unique universe.

I think it's implicit by this point that every previous adaptation is presumed to be a "universe" in the screen multiverse. But I'm tired of that gimmick. It was cute the first couple of times, but it's worn out its welcome. Why can't we just accept that different fictional interpretations of a character are different fictional interpretations of a character? Why do they have to be "real" in each other's continuity to have value?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Neither did Thanos.

Because he was already dust...

 

[Starkers]

Bring in the tv movies’ Thor and Daredevil too. And an overdue Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man too!

He really should have been in No Way Home!

 

[eschaton]

I think it's implicit by this point that every previous adaptation is presumed to be a "universe" in the screen multiverse. But I'm tired of that gimmick. It was cute the first couple of times, but it's worn out its welcome. Why can't we just accept that different fictional interpretations of a character are different fictional interpretations of a character? Why do they have to be "real" in each other's continuity to have value?

I'm wondering if Disney will be able to restrain themselves from eventually doing an MCU/Star Wars crossover, given they own both IPs and some fans would go apeshit.

I think the sort of mega crossovers ala Ready Player One (or worse, Space Jam 2) are terrible, but the studios can't seem to restrain themselves these days. Hell, Ralph Breaks the Internet already kinda did it for Disney.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm wondering if Disney will be able to restrain themselves from eventually doing an MCU/Star Wars crossover, given they own both IPs and some fans would go apeshit.

Disney has long since owned the comic book rights to both universes and nothing like that has ever even been suggested, and I would think that's where they would test the waters first. Given how quickly Marvel was to bring Conan back into Marvel comics continuity after regaining the rights tells me that if a Star Wars / Marvel crossover were an idea they thought was worth pursuing, they would have done it already.

That said, a Star Wars / Marvel crossover Lego movie? Shut up and take my money.

 

[Gaith]

Isn't the whole point of Secret Wars that basically every single iteration of every single Marvel character in the multiverse is like, jammed together?

Given that is true, I would be shocked if RDJ/Evans/ScarJo don't at least get a bit part.

Sounds like the perfect time to bring in Tom Cruise as a Tony Stark variant to me.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Well yeah. I presume if we see them, it will be alters from elsewhere in the multiverse, rather than the same versions (similar to Loki), not actually undoing their deaths.

Yes, they would be alternate versions, but the audience would know the only reason the characters were brought back is an attempt to inject the popularity of the actors and their interpretation of characters into a franchise that appears to need it, certainly more than any plotline demands.

 

[eschaton]

Yes, they would be alternate versions, but the audience would know the only reason the characters were brought back is an attempt to inject the popularity of the actors and their interpretation of characters into a franchise that appears to need it, certainly more than any plotline demands.

I disagree. Secret Wars was planned years before Marvel's current troubles. It's been public since July 2022 - almost 18 months. And if it is anything like the comic arc, it was of course going to feature cameos from just about everyone, living, dead, or alter, and always going to completely blow up the MCU so they could start over with whatever they wanted.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I for one would love to see the Lou Ferrigno Hulk return and show that the Bill Bixby Hulk series is its own unique universe. Bixby being dead might mean we don't get a Deepfake recreation of David Banner but, hey, you never know. Bixby's estate might well be up for letting the producers use Bill's likeness if the story calls for it.

Nope, no need for that. Just give us Lou and that's more than enough. Some silent acknowledgement of Bixby with a still or something, but nothing more than that.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'd cheer if Ferrigno showed up in full 1978-83 TV makeup.