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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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They are branded Disney, because the Disney brand is all over the credits.

Yeah, but most people walk out on the credits. Anyone who does pay attention to credits and creators would already know that, say, Touchstone or Miramax films are from Disney. It's not like it's literally kept secret; it's just downplayed on films that don't fit audience expectations of what a "Disney movie" is. That's the purpose of branding -- not to lie about ownership, but simply to set expectations about what kind of thing you're getting. For instance, the Nestlé logo is on the back of a Lean Cuisine package, but the fact that the big logo on the front says Lean Cuisine instead of Nestlé tells you that you can expect it to be a low-fat, theoretically healthy meal instead of candy.


Disney doesn't credit itself as Disney on R films.

But it does still make them, so I don't know what you're arguing. Haven't they already confirmed that they will keep Deadpool R-rated?
 
$734M first run, up against Solo and a collection of indie and art flicks.
$51M PG edited second run, which was up against a holiday crowd of Into the Spider-Verse, Mary Poppins 2, Aquaman, and Bumblebee.

$51M was a blumming great haul in those circumstances.
 
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The 3D rerelease of Episode I: The Phantom Menace not only did remarkably well for a 13-year-old movie that was never exactly a runaway critical success to begin with but launched a vast line of merchandise that dominated stores in 2012 and further padded the film's enormous, original $429 million domestic box office take from 1999.

How much a rerelease makes is not as important as the fact a movie you can already see on DVD and Bluray whenever you like made TENS OF MILLIONS MORE at the theater.
 
Yeah, but most people walk out on the credits. Anyone who does pay attention to credits and creators would already know that, say, Touchstone or Miramax films are from Disney. It's not like it's literally kept secret; it's just downplayed on films that don't fit audience expectations of what a "Disney movie" is. That's the purpose of branding -- not to lie about ownership, but simply to set expectations about what kind of thing you're getting. For instance, the Nestlé logo is on the back of a Lean Cuisine package, but the fact that the big logo on the front says Lean Cuisine instead of Nestlé tells you that you can expect it to be a low-fat, theoretically healthy meal instead of candy.

Disney obviously feels differently, that's the whole reason they have other brands to put R rated material under so their name isn't credited on R rated material, vs Marvel movies where it is credited.
But it does still make them, so I don't know what you're arguing. Haven't they already confirmed that they will keep Deadpool R-rated?
Not with the Disney name attached. The Disney name is attached to Marvel films.

Haven't they already confirmed that they will keep Deadpool R-rated?

That's what Fiege said over a year ago now, but it hasn't happened yet, and isn't even listed on the Marvel Roadmap. Like I said, maybe Disney will just take their name off of it. Maybe they'll create a new R-Rated Marvel spin off production company (a la Touchstone). Maybe Fiege won't end up being able to make it. Who knows. But as of now Disney does not put their name on R rated material, and Marvel films are all officially, credited, Walt Disney Pictures co productions.
 
Disney obviously feels differently, that's the whole reason they have other brands to put R rated material under so their name isn't credited on R rated material, vs Marvel movies where it is credited.

Not with the Disney name attached. The Disney name is attached to Marvel films.



That's what Fiege said over a year ago now, but it hasn't happened yet, and isn't even listed on the Marvel Roadmap. Like I said, maybe Disney will just take their name off of it. Maybe they'll create a new R-Rated Marvel spin off production company (a la Touchstone). Maybe Fiege won't end up being able to make it. Who knows. But as of now Disney does not put their name on R rated material, and Marvel films are all officially, credited, Walt Disney Pictures co productions.

Deadpool gets R-rated movies 'adjacent' to the actual MCU umbrella. The character then appears in other MCU movies and he self-censors himself like some bad tv dub.

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Deadpool? Why do you keep saying that stuff and bleeping yourself?

Deadpool looks right at the camera: "For the children... You happy Mickey?"
 
That's what Fiege said over a year ago now, but it hasn't happened yet, and isn't even listed on the Marvel Roadmap. Like I said, maybe Disney will just take their name off of it. Maybe they'll create a new R-Rated Marvel spin off production company (a la Touchstone). Maybe Fiege won't end up being able to make it. Who knows. But as of now Disney does not put their name on R rated material, and Marvel films are all officially, credited, Walt Disney Pictures co productions.

So basically you aren't arguing that they won't still make R-rated Deadpool movies, so I still have no idea what your point is. Who cares what label they put on it? How could that possibly matter, as long as they actually make it?
 
So basically you aren't arguing that they won't still make R-rated Deadpool movies, so I still have no idea what your point is. Who cares what label they put on it? How could that possibly matter, as long as they actually make it?

I wasn't arguing anything. I posted two quick replies fixing out factual errors. A user posted they don't see why Disney can't make R rated materials. I replied Disney had never done R rated materials under the Disney brand. I never said they couldn't do it under another brand. I even liked your post where you explained how Disney goes about R rated material without naming themselves.

JD then replied saying the MCU movies aren't under the Disney brand, I replied correcting him that they currently are, as they are all credited Walt Disney Pictures Co-Productions vs their R rated companies, like Touchstone, whose films were not credited as Walt Disney Pictures Co-Productions, because Disney does not put its name on R rated material.

I think it's a bit of a quagmire and I would hazard a guess Disney's aversion to R rated materials connected to their name is part of the hold up when it comes to Deadpool, and why it is not on the Marvel Roadmap, but that's just a guess. I'm not arguing it.
 
I’m really hoping there’s a scene of Chris Cooper vs Wilem Defoe in NWH

Nah, it’d be Dane DeHaan if anybody. “Really? You did that to him? Broke his heart so bad he quit for five months?? Harry, I’m not your daddy, but you’re miles better than the kid I had. I’d be perfectly happy to adopt you and show you some of my tricks…”
 
A few new characters for Dr. Strange ITMOM revealed by, what else, toys.
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Yes, obviously we all know that, but JD's point is that they aren't branded as Disney films, i.e. they don't show the ridiculously long Walt Disney Studios CGI castle sequence at the beginning, instead showing the slightly less ridiculously long Marvel Studios logo sequence. There is a difference between ownership and branding, as JD mentioned with regards to the Miramax banner, or the Touchstone one that Disney used for more adult-skewing movies starting in the '80s.

People keep assuming that all Disney productions are meant to be the same, but that's dead wrong. The whole reason Disney acquired properties like Lucasfilm and Marvel in the first place was to diversify their output, so they could appeal to a wider range of audiences that their existing stuff didn't already appeal to. They didn't want to homogenize the acquired studios to be like them; they wanted them to keep doing the same distinct things they had been doing before, and thus attract distinct audiences, just with the profits going into Disney's coffers instead of somebody else's.



That's incorrect. Touchstone was never a separate company, merely a distinct label used by Disney for its older-skewing productions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchstone_Pictures
"Feature films released under the Touchstone label were produced and financed by The Walt Disney Studios, and featured more mature themes targeted towards adult audiences than typical Disney releases. As such, Touchstone was merely a brand of the studio and did not exist as a distinct business operation."
Oh Touchstone, that was the one I was trying to think of not Miramax.
I wasn't arguing anything. I posted two quick replies fixing out factual errors. A user posted they don't see why Disney can't make R rated materials. I replied Disney had never done R rated materials under the Disney brand. I never said they couldn't do it under another brand. I even liked your post where you explained how Disney goes about R rated material without naming themselves.

JD then replied saying the MCU movies aren't under the Disney brand, I replied correcting him that they currently are, as they are all credited Walt Disney Pictures Co-Productions vs their R rated companies, like Touchstone, whose films were not credited as Walt Disney Pictures Co-Productions, because Disney does not put its name on R rated material.

I think it's a bit of a quagmire and I would hazard a guess Disney's aversion to R rated materials connected to their name is part of the hold up when it comes to Deadpool, and why it is not on the Marvel Roadmap, but that's just a guess. I'm not arguing it.
Disney might be included in the end credits, but it isn't included as one of the logos in the beginning, and that's really all that most people are going to notice and care about.
A few new characters for Dr. Strange ITMOM revealed by, what else, toys.
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This doesn't mean all of those characters are actually going to be in Multiverse of Madness, they are constantly releasing figures of characters who aren't in the movies as part of the series for movies.
 
I don't want to go into any of the No Way Home threads, so I'm going to ask this here. How many mid/post-credits scenes are there? We missed the last one in The Eternals, because I hadn't heard anything and assumed there was just one.
 
I don't want to go into any of the No Way Home threads, so I'm going to ask this here. How many mid/post-credits scenes are there? We missed the last one in The Eternals, because I hadn't heard anything and assumed there was just one.

One. The post-credits is the trailer for Dr. Strange & TMOM.
 
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