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Japan is getting pretty aggressive about taking down content. I guess it was becoming too well known with the hints that the character will be in 'Into the Spiderverse 2'.
Marvel getting the rights back to Daredevil has reignited the #SaveDaredevil campaign, with people like Clark Greg, and Vincent D'Onofrio even tweeting about it.
I loved the show, and it would be great to see the cast back as those characters. If they really want to sever ties with Netflix, I wouldn't be against a reboot, as long as they brought back all of the original actors.
I loved the show, and it would be great to see the cast back as those characters. If they really want to sever ties with Netflix, I wouldn't be against a reboot, as long as they brought back all of the original actors.
I'd be ok with a reboot that brings back Cox and D'Onofrio, but I'd really prefer to not see the actors playing Foggy or Karen ever again.
But really, the number one thing I want to see is completely rebooted versions of Elektra and Bullseye. Ones that fit the comics at least as much as the MCU standard. An Elektra that isn't some blood lust obsessed psycho (and presumably is actually Greek, although that isn't as big an issue as not being a psychopath) and a Bullseye that is just Bullseye (he even has a good reason to wear a costume, since I seem to recall the comic character dressing like that to mock heroes, although presumably a MCU Bullseye costume would be more "realistic"). Kingpin in the Netflix show was great, but all the other villains were horrible, so I'd really want to see the MCU totally redo all the non-Kingpin villains.
Also, Daredevil should actually wear his costume, that Season 3 no costume bullshit was unforgivable (although completely on brand with the comic hating netflix shows). But the MCU is done by people who aren't afraid of costumes, so I bet a MCU Daredevil would be consistently fighting crime in his hero getup regard;ess of what the MCU does with him.
But really, the number one thing I want to see is completely rebooted versions of Elektra and Bullseye. Ones that fit the comics at least as much as the MCU standard. An Elektra that isn't some blood lust obsessed psycho (and presumably is actually Greek, although that isn't as big an issue as not being a psychopath) and a Bullseye that is just Bullseye (he even has a good reason to wear a costume, since I seem to recall the comic character dressing like that to mock heroes, although presumably a MCU Bullseye costume would be more "realistic"). Kingpin in the Netflix show was great, but all the other villains were horrible, so I'd really want to see the MCU totally redo all the non-Kingpin villains.
Also, Daredevil should actually wear his costume, that Season 3 no costume bullshit was unforgivable (although completely on brand with the comic hating netflix shows). But the MCU is done by people who aren't afraid of costumes, so I bet a MCU Daredevil would be consistently fighting crime in his hero getup regard;ess of what the MCU does with him.
Elektra's characterization from the show is taken directly from Frank Miller's take on the character. Considering how often you go on and on about how much people creating shows hate the comic source, it's odd that you would criticize a choice made to explicitly refer back to them.
Now, I think it's fair to be critical of Miller's interpretation of his own characters. It's not my preferred take on Elektra either. But you can't really, in any form of good faith, try to argue in the same post that creators have to respect the comic book material while also lampooning them for doing just that. You have this need to villify anyone who makes a creative choice you don't like or agree with, and it's frankly tiring.
Now, I think it's fair to be critical of Miller's interpretation of his own characters. It's not my preferred take on Elektra either. But you can't really, in any form of good faith, try to argue in the same post that creators have to respect the comic book material while also lampooning them for doing just that. You have this need to villify anyone who makes a creative choice you don't like or agree with, and it's frankly tiring.
The comics as a source are good as an amalgamation of work, individual creators can do bad work, and I've always hated Frank Miller's work even before he went full crazy (or revealed how crazy/shitty he is, to be more accurate). That said, Elektra wasn't that psychotic from the little I've read of that era anyway, but regardless I don't want them to base anything on Frank Miller's work.
No one has to respect the creators original intent, its almost always the years and years of character development that makes a great comic character, the creator rarely (not never, but rarely) makes the best version of a character. Look at Deadpool. Rob Liefeld is in no way responsible for Deadpools popularity, he designed him and named him and thats it, it was writers after him that made Deadpool into the character we know (that doesn't stop Rob from taking credit and belittling people like Fabian Nicieza, but thats another conversation). Anyone that has read a comic with Elektra published in my life time (aka since 1990) will not recognize the Netflix character at all (even ignoring the ethnicity change).
So, when I say that Elektra should be more comics accurate, I mean the version that has been fairly consistent for three decades, not the version Miller wrote in the early 80s and that hasn't really existed since before I was born.
Whats really tiring is the people who will worship every shitty decision and refuse to allow any criticism. Daredevil was a one season wonder that staggered on because of the comic hating assholes that ran Marvel TV. Perlmutter and Loeb are gone, and so is the era of the shitty Netflix/Hulu style "Marvel" shows. Out goes shit like Daredevil (post Season 1), Jessica Jones, Runaways and Helstrom, in comes shows made by MCU people who, even if they change things, still show that they aren't embarrassed by or hate the source material (and also make things that aren't just grimdark, angsty shit, which the Netflix shows all were).
Yeah, the version of Elektra from The Man Without Fear isn't my preferred Elektra (with the exception of the chase scene, which was great). I much prefer the stoic Elektra who stopped believing in the rules of society after he father died over the always crazy Elektra he went with later. That being said, both thematically work for the stories they were trying to tell.
Here's Jeremy Renner, Hailee Steinfeld and Lucky the Pizza Dog shooting 'Hawkeye' in NYC.
Edit: And here's a better quality one.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1334236626193690625
Edit: And here's a better quality one.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1334236626193690625
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I wonder if this will finally be enough to get them to admit that Hailee Steinfeld is playing Kate Bishop?
Watching that person adjust Hailee Steinfeld's hair, kind of makes me glad I never became an actor. I don't think I could take people picking and poking at me like that all the time.
Watching that person adjust Hailee Steinfeld's hair, kind of makes me glad I never became an actor. I don't think I could take people picking and poking at me like that all the time.
I think the recent Fraction run reintroduced that element.
I don't remember the deafness ever officially going away (just forgotten), but I could be wrong. The post-Heroes Reborn Avengers isn't my strongsuit as far as knowledge goes. I know he is currently deaf, though.
It's good seeing Hailee Steinfeld looking beat up in those photos. Actually let me rephrase that...
It's good seeing Kate Bishop looking beat up in those photos. One of the nice things about her in the comics is that when she gets into a fight she ends up cut and bruised, because she's just a normal person who happens to be an amazing archer.
It's good seeing Kate Bishop looking beat up in those photos. One of the nice things about her in the comics is that when she gets into a fight she ends up cut and bruised, because she's just a normal person who happens to be an amazing archer.
When Franklin Richards decided to restore all the heroes who "died" at the end of Onslaught (they never did, he sent them to a pocket universe he created) he "fixed" them to the way he remembered them.
He didn't know Hawkeye was deaf, so he restored his hearing, and Iron Man at the time had been turned into a teenager (don't ask...) but Franklin aged him back to normal, etc.
A buttload of "Hawkeye" casting news from Variety.
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/hawkeye-disney-plus-florence-pugh-vera-farmiga-cast-1234845371/
Florence Pugh, as rumoured.
Vera Farmiga as Kate's mother.
Tony Dalton as The Swordsman (Clint's mentor/trainer).
And most interesting Maya Lopez as Echo who is a character who would have fallen under the 'Daredevil' rights.
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/hawkeye-disney-plus-florence-pugh-vera-farmiga-cast-1234845371/
Florence Pugh, as rumoured.
Vera Farmiga as Kate's mother.
Tony Dalton as The Swordsman (Clint's mentor/trainer).
And most interesting Maya Lopez as Echo who is a character who would have fallen under the 'Daredevil' rights.
Swordsman, as in short-time Avenger whose dead body got used by plant aliens to marry Mantis?
That's a sentence you don't hear every day...
Cool, I'm a big fan of Vera Farmiga.
Does Echo have a connection to the Hawkeyes in the comics?
I understood every word of that
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Maya_Lopez_(Earth-616)
She's originally a Daredevil character, but she was on the New Avengers with Hawkeye for a while and apparently had a relationship with him at one point.