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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Timelord Victorious said:
Haven’t they sort of set up this whole thing since Homecoming?
With someone buying the old Avengers tower and them moving out?
It’s been speculated since then that the tower could become the Baxter building ?
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It seems unlikely that they intended that in Homecoming, as Disney hadn't acquired Fox yet at that point. I think the idea there was more about relocating the Avengers to their new HQ as established in other movies -- and about serving Homecoming's own plot about the Vulture targeting superhero hardware, with the relocation giving him an opportunity to steal it.
 
Timelord Victorious said:
Haven’t they sort of set up this whole thing since Homecoming?
With someone buying the old Avengers tower and them moving out?
It’s been speculated since then that the tower could become the Baxter building ?
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It wasn't intended to be, but can easily be used as set-up.

The speculation is that it was either them or Norman Osborn who bought the building, because the director of Ant-Man and the Wasp said that the guy who hired the Industrial Thief was Norman Osborn too. Even if they couldn't outright say it.
 
Jinn said:
They've already taken their Nick Fury and the idea that the Avengers(/Ultimates) are a goverment initiative. I think there are some other neat things the Ultimate Universe did during its time. For example the aforementioned zombie arc was pretty neat, and the post-Ultimatum X-Men comics may be my favorite X-Men comics (from the ones I've read), simply because they were actually allowed to permanently change the status quo and go somewhere with their humans vs mutants thing, as opposed the main universe where everything will be resetted to a "mutants fear humans, the X-Men fight the evil mutants to show the humans they aren't bad after all" type thing.

Looking at the list of ultimate comic publications at wikipedia, this may be all the good things (and the original Bendis run on original Spider-Man), but it is something!
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I'll give you Nick Fury, but the X-Men book was horrible. Mutants being government experiments undermines their entire concept, and shit like making one of the characters, I don't remember if it was Nightcrawler or Colossus, into a rancid homophobic asshole was really fucked up. In the end, Ultimate Comics X-Men was just as shity edgelord bait as the Ultimates, but people remember the Ultimates more because shit like the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver incest plot, Ultra right-wing Captain America, and wasp getting eaten are more memorably terrible then the random homophobia and other more predictable offensive shit in Ultimate X-Men.
 
kirk55555 said:
I'll give you Nick Fury, but the X-Men book was horrible. Mutants being government experiments undermines their entire concept, and shit like making one of the characters, I don't remember if it was Nightcrawler or Colossus, into a rancid homophobic asshole was really fucked up. In the end, Ultimate Comics X-Men was just as shity edgelord bait as the Ultimates, but people remember the Ultimates more because shit like the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver incest plot, Ultra right-wing Captain America, and wasp getting eaten are more memorably terrible then the random homophobia and other more predictable offensive shit in Ultimate X-Men.
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Oh yeah, that was pretty horrible, but the X-Men book I'm talking about is the post-Ultimatum one, in particular the Brian Wood run. They mostly ignore the whole "mutants are a super soldier experiment byproduct" thing, although it is mentioned occasionally. The book is also pretty unconnected from the one your talking about, partly because Ultimatum killed off most of the X-Men... It's basically about a few X-Men survivors and new characters going from being hunted down by the goverment, hiding and being forced into camps to creating their own state and how that state interacts with the US and the other nation on Earth that explicitely welcomes mutants. And it was Nightcrawler who they made homophobic, while Colossus was gay.

Agreed on most of the Ultimates, although I did enjoy how the team mostly fought threads that arose due to its own existance or its members. And as far as 1940s Captain America goes, I was generally okay with him being a terrible person (the other characters I found pretty unlikable too), but at least during Ultimates 1 and 2 it felt like we weren't supposed to support the existance of the team or see Captain America as a super great guy. I have more of a problem with the later stuff that portrays him as heroic. Also, yeah the incest and cannibalism stuff is obviously horrible.
 
Jinn said:
Oh yeah, that was pretty horrible, but the X-Men book I'm talking about is the post-Ultimatum one, in particular the Brian Wood run. They mostly ignore the whole "mutants are a super soldier experiment byproduct" thing, although it is mentioned occasionally. The book is also pretty unconnected from the one your talking about, partly because Ultimatum killed off most of the X-Men... It's basically about a few X-Men survivors and new characters going from being hunted down by the goverment, hiding and being forced into camps to creating their own state and how that state interacts with the US and the other nation on Earth that explicitely welcomes mutants. And it was Nightcrawler who they made homophobic, while Colossus was gay.

Agreed on most of the Ultimates, although I did enjoy how the team mostly fought threads that arose due to its own existance or its members. And as far as 1940s Captain America goes, I was generally okay with him being a terrible person (the other characters I found pretty unlikable too), but at least during Ultimates 1 and 2 it felt like we weren't supposed to support the existance of the team or see Captain America as a super great guy. I have more of a problem with the later stuff that portrays him as heroic. Also, yeah the incest and cannibalism stuff is obviously horrible.
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that's fair. I dropped the whole ultimate universe pretty quick after getting a taste of the ultimates and the first run on Ultimate X-Men, it's definitely possible the post ultimatum stuff with a different writer was a lot better. I personally don't support bad guy Steve Rogers, but not portraying him as a hero at least makes more sense.
 
With Iron Man being gone, I could see focusing a lot of Fantastic Four on Reed's superscience and crazy experiments.
 
Anwar said:
It wasn't intended to be, but can easily be used as set-up.

The speculation is that it was either them or Norman Osborn who bought the building, because the director of Ant-Man and the Wasp said that the guy who hired the Industrial Thief was Norman Osborn too. Even if they couldn't outright say it.
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Here's Avengers tower now in "Far From Home"

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I don't think Norman would put trees into his building or create a habitat. He doesn't seem like that kind of person
 
This isn't actually about an MCU production, but it about onscreen Marvel, so this seems like the best place to put it.
Marvel.com posted a new article about the Japanese Spider-Man TV series, and in the section about watching it, it says you can't watch it right now, so you'll have "play the waiting game". That makes me wonder if they might be working on some kind of release for it, if they weren't I would think they would have just stopped at saying you can't watch it anymore. I hope they are, I watched the first one or two episodes back when it was on the Marvel website back in 2015 and I would love to be able to watch the rest of it.
 
Well, now we know she's going to be more than a oneshot character. Which some of us suspected.

BTW, the Daredevil rights have reverted to Marvel entirely and Netflix no longer has any say in him anymore.

Right?
 
Anwar said:
Well, now we know she's going to be more than a oneshot character. Which some of us suspected.

BTW, the Daredevil rights have reverted to Marvel entirely and Netflix no longer has any say in him anymore.

Right?
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Mostly. Netflix still owns the three seasons of Daredevil on their service. They aren't going anywhere, as far as I know. And Marvel would have to buy them to put them on Disney+, which is almost certainly the biggest obstacle to getting Charlie Cox and/or Vincent D'Onofrio in the "Proper" MCU moving forward. Disney doesn't want to drive views to Netflix by using those versions of the characters, but they don't want to pay the blackmail fee to liberate the episodes from Netflix either. (Because let's be honest, Netflix would be insane not to demand a ridiculous check.)

But yes, Marvel can use DD and his characters freely. They could even theoretically use the Cox/D'Onofrio versions, though that feels really unlikely for the reason above, and more. But a new MCU Daredevil could absolutely be a thing anytime they want now.

*Lives in a fantasy world where tomorrow Disney announces Cox and D'Onofrio for Spider-Man: Back Home or whatever they end up calling Spidey 3*
 
Turtletrekker said:
With production on Hawkeye soon to ramp up, the rumor mill has Florence Pugh jumping from the Black Widow movie to Hawkeye.

https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-hawkeye-florence-pugh-jeremy-renner-disney-series-exclusive?fbclid=IwAR3g_lag_KniaCJ73WzrdjOYuM4yTJtF-RliSm8iRlOB1uFS1L56ruVpZxA#:~:text=Florence Pugh, who is co,The Direct has exclusively learned
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I was expecting to see more of Pugh's Yelena Belova, but that's not where I expected her first post-BW movie appearance to be.
Wasn't Madame Masque the villain of Agent Carter Season 2?
 
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