Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    17.7%
  2. A

    37.5%
  3. A-

    14.6%
  4. B+

    6.3%
  5. B

    13.5%
  6. B-

    3.1%
  7. C+

    2.1%
  8. C

    4.2%
  9. C-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. D

    0 vote(s)
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  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
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  13. F

    1.0%
  1. Serveaux

    Serveaux Tasteless and unnecessary Premium Member

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    "There's room for all kinds of cinema."

    Yeah, on HBO. Not so much at the multiplex.

    But it's understandable - Portman is an actor of some ambition and accomplishment who, like everybody else these days, is playing a comic book character.
     
  2. Samurai8472

    Samurai8472 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Everyone's got an opinion. Everyone's a critic

    Not everyone will like MARVEL movies( or different types of art, cars, food etc etc)

    Coppola and Scorcese's comments are just more vocal

    Heck we all know Kirk555 here is vocal about Marvel and DC movies. They're entitled to their opinions.
     
  3. crookeddy

    crookeddy Commodore Commodore

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    Perhaps oscar winning director views matter a bit more?
     
  4. The Nth Doctor

    The Nth Doctor Infinite Possibilities... Premium Member

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    Uhhh...what?!?! :wtf: :lol:
     
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  5. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, that is some righteous, elitist film snobbery on display right there.

    Speaking only for myself, the only way I'm going to make the investment in a theater experience (and yes, these days going to the "Multiplex" is an investment), the experience has to be worth spending the money on a big screen experience. For me, that is Star Wars / Marvel / DC etcetera type movies. The type of stuff that Coppola and Scorsese produces is far more suited to my tastes on the more than sufficient home sized TV screens available today.
     
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  6. crookeddy

    crookeddy Commodore Commodore

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    Scorsese couldn't get a distribution deal for The Irishman, which many are now saying is the best movie of his career. He partially blames Marvel style movies for that.
     
  7. Turtletrekker

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    Which is his own problem.
     
  8. crookeddy

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    Btw his movie is 3 hours 30 minutes long, which is probably the real reason he couldn't get a deal.
     
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  9. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    :eek::cardie::lol:

    Yeah, I'd say that has more to do with it than just about anything else. I had no idea the movie was that long.:eek:

    And the final nail in the coffin for Marvel movies, it seems the ghost of Orson Welles has spoken out against them... :techman:

    https://fantasticfools.com/2019/10/...Njj1rJYD69hS4Bfbfs29Xtpky48ud5d6St8Y0jWf5e9jc

    "It's the children who are wrong!" :lol:
     
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  10. Anwar

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    Playing a comic book character is no different from playing a Swashbuckler or a Western hero or the lead in a Period Drama.
     
  11. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    No. It's everyone's problem.

    Or rather, it's one small - and ultimately insignificant - symptom of a much greater and more sinister problem.
     
  12. Reverend

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    Scorsese and the others of his generation that are grumbling about this are mostly just a little bit slow to wake up and smell the 21st century. It's a little sad because the industry has been headed in this direction since the late 70's; pretty much the moment 'Star Wars' came out. Ever since the golden age Hollywood has gone through this boom-and-bust cycle of producing bigger and more spectacular films to drawn in audiences, only for it all to collapse under it's own weight, leaving the was open for smaller auteur films to fill the void and start the whole thing over again.

    The difference this time around is that there's an alternate medium capable of supporting mid-to-low budget movies, if their snobbish directors can wrap their brains around the concept that this is the preferred venue for their kinds of movies these day.
     
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  13. Anwar

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    It was before Star Wars. Jaws actually started this, which makes it funny because guys like Scorcese and Coppola actually supported Spielberg.
     
  14. suarezguy

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    There should be but the huge and longstanding success of MCU and other big Disney blockbusters and studio expectations and demands that nearly all their movies should be similarly big does seem to be drastically limiting the release-ability of non-mass market blockbusters and that will very understandably cause drama filmmakers to be more upset.
     
  15. suarezguy

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    I don't think it's snobbish to regret that netflix, maybe amazon, maybe hulu would be the main distributors of artsy and dramatic films, that the older type of distribution and release die out and people have to spend monthly for a channel to have access, let alone that that whole kind of film should die out and artists should have to instead turn their ideas into television series.
     
  16. Reverend

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    Arguable. Jaws certainly got the ball rolling and may have been an influential piece of cinema, but Star Wars proved it wasn't a fluke but a trend, and in the process changed the shape of cinema to an unparalleled degree.
    No the snob part some from the "this isn't real art" type of comments. Failing to recognise streaming services as a ecosystem where their work can survive and even thrive is just them being behind the times. Unless they don't want to take advantage of streaming services because only the big screen is prestigious enough of an exhibition venue for said work, then we actually are back to snobbery.
     
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  17. Grendelsbayne

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    Which would be a great reason to be upset with the studios that won't fund cheaper films, not to be upset with audiences for enjoying big movies or other filmmakers for making movies people enjoy.

    It is because it's built on the underlying assumption that streaming somehow isn't a good medium for them when it clearly is. Or the assumption that streaming costs will somehow limit the audience, even though cinema costs are *much* higher. Or else just the idea that low budget movies 'deserve' the 'prestige' of a cinematic release more than high budget movies.

    If they were only concerned with the preservation of their film style, that would be totally understandable. But attacking other types of movies and undervaluing streaming platforms is just stupid and counterproductive.
     
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  18. Foxhot

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    She'll never get cast in AGE OF INNOCENCE 2 now.

    Hate's a strong word, often used defensively to describe simple preference or disagreement. I hate it when they get mixed up in such a way.

    Entertainment Weekly mentioned that despite IRISHMAN's star roster of DeNiro, Pacino and Pesci, the studios decided to pass because, wait for it, the final 20 minutes deal with a key character stuck in a wheelchair! The horror of it all. Too much drama as opposed to shooting, they apparently felt. And yet some critics have said it's his best ever. We'll see.

    Ever since STATE OF PLAY earned middling box office roughly ten years back, the studios went on record and announced big-budget dramas were no longer a priority for them. (Except maybe during the fall and Christmas.)

    I prefer good to great lengthy films instead of 80 minute wastes of space. AVENGERS ENDGAME was three hours...five-point-five if you combine it with the previous year's INFINITY WAR.
     
  19. Grendelsbayne

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    Coppola literally called these movies 'despicable'. Hate isn't a mischaracterization in this case.
     
  20. crookeddy

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    Scorsese didn't come off as hateful, but Coppola sure did.
     
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