Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    18.2%
  2. A

    27.1%
  3. A-

    14.7%
  4. B+

    7.6%
  5. B

    13.5%
  6. B-

    2.9%
  7. C+

    3.5%
  8. C

    4.7%
  9. C-

    2.9%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. D

    0.6%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F

    4.1%
  1. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    :eek::cardie::lol:

    Yeah, I'd say that has more to do with it than just about anything else. I had no idea the movie was that long.:eek:

    And the final nail in the coffin for Marvel movies, it seems the ghost of Orson Welles has spoken out against them... :techman:

    https://fantasticfools.com/2019/10/...Njj1rJYD69hS4Bfbfs29Xtpky48ud5d6St8Y0jWf5e9jc

    "It's the children who are wrong!" :lol:
     
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  2. Anwar

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    Playing a comic book character is no different from playing a Swashbuckler or a Western hero or the lead in a Period Drama.
     
  3. CorporalClegg

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    No. It's everyone's problem.

    Or rather, it's one small - and ultimately insignificant - symptom of a much greater and more sinister problem.
     
  4. Reverend

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    Scorsese and the others of his generation that are grumbling about this are mostly just a little bit slow to wake up and smell the 21st century. It's a little sad because the industry has been headed in this direction since the late 70's; pretty much the moment 'Star Wars' came out. Ever since the golden age Hollywood has gone through this boom-and-bust cycle of producing bigger and more spectacular films to drawn in audiences, only for it all to collapse under it's own weight, leaving the was open for smaller auteur films to fill the void and start the whole thing over again.

    The difference this time around is that there's an alternate medium capable of supporting mid-to-low budget movies, if their snobbish directors can wrap their brains around the concept that this is the preferred venue for their kinds of movies these day.
     
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  5. Anwar

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    It was before Star Wars. Jaws actually started this, which makes it funny because guys like Scorcese and Coppola actually supported Spielberg.
     
  6. suarezguy

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    There should be but the huge and longstanding success of MCU and other big Disney blockbusters and studio expectations and demands that nearly all their movies should be similarly big does seem to be drastically limiting the release-ability of non-mass market blockbusters and that will very understandably cause drama filmmakers to be more upset.
     
  7. suarezguy

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    I don't think it's snobbish to regret that netflix, maybe amazon, maybe hulu would be the main distributors of artsy and dramatic films, that the older type of distribution and release die out and people have to spend monthly for a channel to have access, let alone that that whole kind of film should die out and artists should have to instead turn their ideas into television series.
     
  8. Reverend

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    Arguable. Jaws certainly got the ball rolling and may have been an influential piece of cinema, but Star Wars proved it wasn't a fluke but a trend, and in the process changed the shape of cinema to an unparalleled degree.
    No the snob part some from the "this isn't real art" type of comments. Failing to recognise streaming services as a ecosystem where their work can survive and even thrive is just them being behind the times. Unless they don't want to take advantage of streaming services because only the big screen is prestigious enough of an exhibition venue for said work, then we actually are back to snobbery.
     
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  9. Grendelsbayne

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    Which would be a great reason to be upset with the studios that won't fund cheaper films, not to be upset with audiences for enjoying big movies or other filmmakers for making movies people enjoy.

    It is because it's built on the underlying assumption that streaming somehow isn't a good medium for them when it clearly is. Or the assumption that streaming costs will somehow limit the audience, even though cinema costs are *much* higher. Or else just the idea that low budget movies 'deserve' the 'prestige' of a cinematic release more than high budget movies.

    If they were only concerned with the preservation of their film style, that would be totally understandable. But attacking other types of movies and undervaluing streaming platforms is just stupid and counterproductive.
     
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  10. Grendelsbayne

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    Coppola literally called these movies 'despicable'. Hate isn't a mischaracterization in this case.
     
  11. crookeddy

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    Scorsese didn't come off as hateful, but Coppola sure did.
     
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  12. The Nth Doctor

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    I hadn't heard that before, but even if that's true, they're stupid to think that considering the original six-episode British series it's based on is brilliant. That should tell you a lot right there.
     
  13. JD

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    Yeah, Scorsese was already a bit excessive in his dislike, but Coppola took it to just a ridiculous level.
     
  14. Masiral

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    And Coppola supported Lucas too.
     
  15. Reverend

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    it's simple economics. Going to the cinema is expensive. TV is a thing people already pay for. Watching a drama on a modern TV offers little substantive difference in the viewing experience compared to the cinema, ergo: most people won't pay to go see it in the cinema. Add to that the gap in production values between movies and TV has shrunk to the point that in some cases there's barely any difference between them in the audience's eyes, it shouldn't be any wonder why the industry went the way it did.

    Calling the movies that learned to thrive in that environment "despicable" just sounds like sour grapes from a bunch of has-beens that spent most of their careers chasing a little gold statue to little avail.
     
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  16. Turtletrekker

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  17. JD

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    It would be funny if we got Vin Diesel doing a voice over role, and then a physical role where he doesn't speak.
     
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  18. Turtletrekker

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    I had the same thought.
     
  19. The Nth Doctor

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    That would be so great that I kind of hope Marvel does exactly that.
     
  20. Nerys Myk

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    Not seeing Vin as Black Bolt. Gorgon maybe
     
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