Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

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  2. A

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  3. A-

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  4. B+

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  5. B

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  6. B-

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  8. C

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  10. D+

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  13. F

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  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Kang, now with ridges Premium Member

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    The original line up was: Hawkeye, Patriot, Stature, Wiccan, Hulkling and Iron Lad. Later joined by Vision and Speed.
     
  2. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    But not the original Vision, Wanda's husband who was the father of Wiccan and Speed, but rather a new synthezoid with Vision's basic programming and powers and a teenagers personality. He became romantically involved with Cassie Lang.
     
  3. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Kang, now with ridges Premium Member

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    Kid Vision. 'lil Vision. Vision Boy.... yeah, I think Vision works best, ;)
     
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  4. The Nth Doctor

    The Nth Doctor Infinite Possibilities... Premium Member

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    Thanks for the tip. I'll check my library to see if they have it (I'd be shocked if they didn't).
     
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  5. grendelsbayne

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    My personal expectation is that if a Young Avengers project happens, it'll be an amalgamation of the Young Avengers and the Champions. Doing both young hero teams would be way too much and doing Ms. Marvel without giving her a chance to lead a team like that would be a waste.

    Given that assumption, I doubt they go into the super weird stuff around Tommy and Billy and assume we will instead see Kamala and maybe Riri added to the team. I also question whether they'll use Hulkling or instead go for Brawn (the Amadeus Cho hulk - gets us another asian hero on screen and we have already seen his mom in the Avengers films). Especially since Hulkling is pretty closely tied to Billy.
     
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  6. kitik

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    First of all, Hailee Steinfeld was fantastic in Bumblebee, and seems like a great choice for a long term role in the MCU.

    The one and only problem I can see with doing something like a Young Avengers movie somewhere down the road is: how old are all the actors going to be in the sequel? We all know that Feige is trying to juggle more properties and characters than he has room for on the schedule, so I'm afraid that more than one or two of these young actors might age out of the role too quickly.

    Embarrassment of riches and first world problems and all that.

    Yeah, I've been wondering exactly how this show is going to be set up.

    We've heard it's going to be based on the incredible Matt Fraction Hawkeye book, which costarred Clint and Kate, but that Hawkeye is not the same Hawkeye that we're currently seeing in the MCU. At the end of Endgame, Hawkeye was a happy family man again, with his wife and kids. That's not the Hawkeye of the Fraction run with Kate. So unless they do something horrible to MCU Clint again, they're going to have to modify the dynamic a bit to fit it into the MCU.

    UNLESS this Hawkeye show is a bit of a prequel that takes place during the 5-year gap.
    The second they announced that they were casting for an older Cassie I think the entire internet assumed they were looking for an actress who could play Stature in the future.


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    Did you guys see the "updated info" on the What If show?

    It's not exactly going to be "one episode per movie", it's going to be more along the lines of the series touching upon various things from all of the movies, with many episodes being a mash-up pulling together different characters into different situations.
     
  7. kitik

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    By the way, there's a youtube channel for some VFX guys called "Corridor Crew" and earlier this year they started putting out awesome videos called "VFX Artists react to good and bad Hollywood CGI". I hope some folks here have seen those, as they show how good VFX are done. Those videos were so popular that they expanded and added "Stuntmen react to good stunts" videos, and they just put out this brand new one:



    They got the stuntman who actually played Black Panther to talk about some stuff, and the highlight by far was the running scene from Captain America Civil War. Quite amazingly, that scene was not full of digital effects, it was mostly real and practical. Trust me, you need to check it out.

    Their videos are pretty cool. If you click on their name and look at their list of uploaded videos, they put out their first "VFX Artists react" video back on May 4 of this year. The first one or two are a little technical, but the series of videos gets super entertaining pretty darn quick. The nice thing is that they'll usually full of both the good and the bad. So you can both laugh and be impressed in the same video.
     
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  8. grendelsbayne

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    Ms. Marvel is a Disney+ show, Hawkeye is a Disney+ show, Ironheart's rumored as a Disney+ show. If they introduce Wanda's kids, they'll come from a D+ show. Odds seem very high if Young Avengers happens it won't be a movie. And as a Disney+ show it likely will either be a one-off or else won't necessarily have to wait so long for season 2.
     
  9. theenglish

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    Young Avengers as a series would be pretty great.
     
  10. Christopher

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    Except most teenagers in movies/TV are played by actors in their 20s (for instance, Tom Holland and Hailee Steinfeld are both 23), so "aging out" is less of a concern.


    Not sure that fits the Fraction run either, because it'd have to end up with Hawkeye becoming Ronin, a hardcore vigilante assassin. It's hard to reconcile that with everyday-schmo "Hawkguy" having rooftop cookouts with his neighbors in between getting beat up by tracksuited mobsters.


    Although it turned out be just because of the 5-year jump.
     
  11. Reverend

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    I was already aware that most of the VFX work in these kinds of actions scenes is to essencially make the stunt look more dangerous than it is (removing safety gear, adding environmental elements, scenery and the like) while preserving as much of the physical performance as possible.

    However, the extent to which the Wakanda mag-train fight was done with motion capture kinda surprised me. Watching that the first time I could have sworn they either fully keyframed & simulated that, or assembled the mo-cap from so many shorter pieces that it smoothed out all of the natural feel and impact.
    Turns out, it was just they way they used the suit VFX that stripped the actual stuntwork of all it's weight, leaving it with a floaty, mid-2000's digital double kinda look.
     
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  12. kitik

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    As much as I would love a full Young Avengers series with multiple seasons and all, we've heard Feige say on multiple occasions that the idea has been to create stuff on Disney+ and then bring it onto the big screen. And I've kinda assumed that the Young Avengers would be an ideal candidate for that.
     
  13. Christopher

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    I dunno... a team of teen/young-adult characters seems more like ideal fodder for an ongoing TV series. Any team story is likely to work better as a series than a movie, since there's more room to explore the characters and their interactions in a series.
     
  14. JD

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    OK, thanks. I can never keep all these different runs/series with the same name straight.
     
  15. Turtletrekker

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    All of this discussion about the Young Avengers may have been prophetic...

    https://fullcirclecinema.com/2019/09/09/young-avengers-series-reportedly-in-development-for-disney/

    I don't know about Full Circle Cinema as a source, but they are apparently getting their information from a well-known industry insider. It makes sense given all of the ground laying for these characters that's being put into place that I pointed out. I have also read that Marvel is planning a dozen Disney plus projects that haven't even been announced yet.
     
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  16. The Nth Doctor

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    Godsdamn. I love the MCU perhaps more than most but even I think that's risking oversaturation.
     
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  17. Spicy Thunder

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    Wow I am far to late to this thread! For anyone that needs it, the full Marvel Disney+ show lineup is this:
    Falcon and the Winter Soldier
    WandaVision
    Loki
    She Hulk
    Moon Knight
    Ms. Marvel
    What If?
    Hawkeye
    Marvel's Hero Project
    Marvel's 616
     
  18. JD

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    Yeah, at this rate we're going to end up with almost as many Disney+ series as movies in half the time it took the movies to get there.
     
  19. Reverend

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    I think it was made pretty clear in Endgame that some kind of Young Avengers project was in the cards at some point.
    I mean, why else make a point to age up Cassie?
    The Kate Bishop announcement just kinda sealed the deal. The rest is just a a matter of time.
    I suppose it depends of how many would be ongoing shows with multiple seasons and how many are going to be just one and done. I suspect WandaVision will be the latter, probably a few of the others too, and if the release schedule is staggered over the course of years, it's probably not as much of an overload as it might sound.
     
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  20. JD

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    My guess has been that all of the shows focused on the movie characters will be one and dones, while the ones with new characters will be ongoing.
     
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