I enjoyed it for what it was, but also agree with you.
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I enjoyed it for what it was, but also agree with you.
I wouldn't say Brave New World was bad, exactly -- just that it was too much an exercise in tying off lingering MCU continuity threads rather than anything deeper. It was watchable and competently made, so it doesn't meet my criteria for "bad." It was just unsatisfying.
I agree about the concept. In fact the idea if trying to channel ,The Winter Soldier is a decent idea. Especially at time when I feel like the MCU has been spending to much time out in space and alternative timelines and stuff like that. A more grounded story for him is a good idea. I think one big issue though is they didn't have a really good character story for him. The idea of him learning to embrace being Captain America and having to deal with all that comes from that was already done on the tv show.
As much as I liked the tv show it was probably a mistake to do his big character arc on tv instead of the movie if you were planning to do a movie. In fact I I was surprised they gave him a movie because I was assuming we would be just getting a second season of the show instead.
A second season of the show probably would have been much more satisfying. The character development that Sam had in the show seems to have just been forgotten in the movie. It was also whitewashed. There were a couple of minor references to Sam having to be "perfect" because he's black--and a confrontation with Ross that had racial overtones--but both of those moments stand out only because they are not addressed in the rest of the movie. Sidewinder is a useless character who's only purpose was to add a couple of action scenes for Sam, and the Celestial island set piece is never explored except as a background for an action sequence. Furthermore, the introduction of adamantium into the MCU is wasted it in that it could have been any valuable metal that drove the plot. And also, there was practically zero character development for anybody in the film. I've heard arguments about Ross's character development, but he's essentially the same person at the beginning of the movie as he is at the end--any development he had in his attitude toward super-heroes happened off screen before the movie. Those attitudes changed during the movie because of influence of "hulk stuff" but the ending just brings him back to the same character he was at the beginning.
Agreed on all of these points. Plus, I always have to point out the weirdness of Sam facing off Bruce Banner characters with the expectation that Sam would have the same resonance and reactions as Bruce.
I really need to go back and try to watch Brave New World Again, I started to watch it a couple months ago, but I got called into work and never ended up getting back to it. Obviously, since I haven't seen past the first 15ish minutes, I can't judge how it played out, but it did seem weird that so much of it was picking up Hulk threads, that had nothing to do with him or Steve.
Ok this is a really good idea, it would be a fun way to bring Chris Evans back again, but do something different with him.
Yeah, but the movie barely even dealt with him being a mutant, it was all about him being the leader of Talokan.
This just seems like bad idea to me, from what I know while he is a mutant and has dipped his toes into the X-Men/Mutant side of things, it seems like he's been more associated with Atlantis/Talokan than with the X-Men. If you want to bring someone in as "face of the mutants" and introduce the whole X-Men side of things to the MCU it would make more sense to bring someone who's a bigger part of that world, and if the theories are true, it looks like we might be getting that with Sadie Sink as Jean Grey in Spider-Man: Brand New Day. They also established Kamala as a mutant in her show, so if they want to use a preexisiting character, she would make more sense to me. It would also be a good way to give the character a new direction and tie her more closely into the wider universe.
Ok this is a really good idea, it would be a fun way to bring Chris Evans back again, but do something different with him.
It would also allow you to do more with Isiah Bradley. In fact part me feels like if they wanted to do another Captain America movie they should have done one set in the past and have Bradley as the main character. In fact if they truly do recast Captain America like they seem to want to do with some of these older characters I love the idea of Isiah Bradley becoming the new main Captain America and have him do sort of what they did with Steve Rogers. First movie is in the past. Then he comes to the future. Someone would likely have a issue with it because he is in the DCU now but I could see Edi Gathegi as a younger Bradley.
Yeah, but that was entirely focused on him being the Talokan, and I don't think the movie really even mentioned him being a mutant, I thought that pretty much all came from interviews and stuff. Like I said with Kamala, the show solidly established her as a mutant, and with where she is right now, I think it would be a lot easier to shift the focus of her storylines to her mutantness than it would be with Namor.
I do kind of like the idea with her having a big role but she is so young. I am not sure I see her as a leader as of yet.
Well sort of both. I mean if the movie is going to be a Avengers vs X Men type of showdown which seems to be the rumor then someone has to sort of become the leader. It does seem to me though one way to do it is to use some of the characters that have been Mutants before as a means of bringing more of them into the MCU. That would leave us with Ms Marvel,Namor and you know maybe the best choice of all is to bring back Wanda. Wanda I know has a history of being a Mutant and she is also powerful enough to change things and go to other worlds.
It seems extremely unlikely they would introduce Jean Grey of all people in a Spider-man movie. Those theories only seem to exist based on wishful thinking from people who really love the thought of Sink playing Jean.
The reality is more likely that she's just been cast as another Spidey supporting character. And on the off chance they really do want mutants in the movie, she'd more likely be playing Firestar than Jean.
wonder what phase 7 and 8 will be about
unlese what if they reboot the entire mcu phases but at the same time the reboot mcu series was on another earth
unlese what if they reboot the entire mcu phases but at the same time the reboot mcu series was on another earth
I completely agree with this. In fact, I'd love to see him have a connection with Sue and don't want him killed as I'd like Namor to become a bigger part of the MCU. I still want a real Defenders movie.
I agree here too. If they're going to introduce the X-Men then Xavier should be the leader and the X-Men should be college age at most.
I don’t anticipate them making a film but I think it’s a brilliant idea for a tv show. I’d like to think that the subject matter might attract a heavyweight director or writer like Ryan Coogler.
I finished Ms. Marvel last night, and now have a new Top Favorite MCU TV show.
I'd already fallen in love with Kamala from having watched The Marvels, but going back and watching her eponymous television debut only made me love her more.
The show was also everything that the MCU Spider-Man should've been if they'd actually stayed true to his characterization.
Best moments/aspects of the show:
* The initial activation of Kamala's powers
* The friendship dynamic between Kamala and Bruno and Kamala and Nakia
* The relationship dynamic between Kamala and all of her family
* The introductory tussle between Kamala and Kareem
* Aamir's wedding and its aftermath
* Kamala's 'closed time loop' adventure in 1947 (not only on its own merits, but also because it completely reinforces how and why Markus and McFeeley's intended ending for Steve is Canon)
As an aside, I realized after-the-fact that I should've found a way to rewatch Spider-Man: No Way Home before I watched Ms. Marvel, but hindsight is 20/20.
Now it's on to a third rewatch of The Marvels to finish off their Character Marathon before I move on to a whirlwind Daredevil Character Marathon that I hope to complete before March and the premiere of Daredevil: Born Again Season 2.
I'd already fallen in love with Kamala from having watched The Marvels, but going back and watching her eponymous television debut only made me love her more.
The show was also everything that the MCU Spider-Man should've been if they'd actually stayed true to his characterization.
Best moments/aspects of the show:
* The initial activation of Kamala's powers
* The friendship dynamic between Kamala and Bruno and Kamala and Nakia
* The relationship dynamic between Kamala and all of her family
* The introductory tussle between Kamala and Kareem
* Aamir's wedding and its aftermath
* Kamala's 'closed time loop' adventure in 1947 (not only on its own merits, but also because it completely reinforces how and why Markus and McFeeley's intended ending for Steve is Canon)
As an aside, I realized after-the-fact that I should've found a way to rewatch Spider-Man: No Way Home before I watched Ms. Marvel, but hindsight is 20/20.
Now it's on to a third rewatch of The Marvels to finish off their Character Marathon before I move on to a whirlwind Daredevil Character Marathon that I hope to complete before March and the premiere of Daredevil: Born Again Season 2.
My only issue was the final episode was kind of weak. For some reason that seems to be a issue with all the MCU shows except Agatha.
Probably, but they have introduced characters in movies where they have no connection to in comics, like Wakanda Forever introducing Namor and Riri, even though neither of them are connected to Wakanda in the comics. I'm pretty sure they've also said that X-Men elements will be introduced in movies other than the Avengers and X-Men, so that could mean Brave New World.
I'm pretty sure 7 at least will be focused on introducing the MCU X-Men.