Marvel Animation’s X-Men ‘97 Discussion Thread.

[Tosk]

I was surprised nobody else stepped in to save him. Why didn't Nightcrawler do anything?

Same. Even if they couldn't for whatever reason, the show makes it look like they didn't even try...or react at all until after the splat.

 

[Christopher]

Same. Even if they couldn't for whatever reason, the show makes it look like they didn't even try...or react at all until after the splat.

I'm no fan of superheroes who let their enemies die, but to be fair, this was the guy who built the robots designed to exterminate their people. I can understand them being conflicted enough to slow their reaction time.

 

[JD]

Why would it have to be exceptionally bad, or even his fault? It's not like studios normally discuss why they let creators go. As a rule, they'd rather focus on promoting the positive. That's just business as usual.

It's just that usually they at least give some kind of excuse, like "creative differences", but from what all of the articles have been saying, it sounds like they didn't even do that. So that seems to me like they be avoiding the topic, and people usually only do that if it's something bad that they don't want to acknowledge.

 

[Christopher]

It's just that usually they at least give some kind of excuse, like "creative differences", but from what all of the articles have been saying, it sounds like they didn't even do that. So that seems to me like they be avoiding the topic, and people usually only do that if it's something bad that they don't want to acknowledge.

That doesn't mean that they're under any obligation to report their behind-the-scenes issues to the public, or that their choice not to do so is meaningful evidence of anything.

 

[Josh Kelton]

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[JD]

Is the Summers brothers' mother anybody significant? I know they're all fairly major mutant characters, and their father is a big space pirate, but I've never really seen their mother talked about much.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Is the Summers brothers' mother anybody significant? I know they're all fairly major mutant characters, and their father is a big space pirate, but I've never really seen their mother talked about much.

in the comics, she was killed by Shi'ar Emperor D'Ken while she was still pregnant with the third Summers child, Gabriel, later known as "Vulcan".

 

[JD]

OK, that would explain why you never hear much about her.

 

[Timby]

It's just that usually they at least give some kind of excuse, like "creative differences", but from what all of the articles have been saying, it sounds like they didn't even do that. So that seems to me like they be avoiding the topic, and people usually only do that if it's something bad that they don't want to acknowledge.

Not necessarily. For example, pretty much every company in America will decline to provide information on an employee outside of the HR department verifying dates of employment, and, in some cases, specifying whether or not that person is eligible for re-employment (though this is heavily dependent upon the state; in California, which has pretty strong worker protection laws, almost no company will do that last part). To do anything further is to open oneself up to a potential lawsuit for tortious interference. This really could just be Marvel Studios playing it safe regarding DeMayo.

 

[JD]

Oh, OK. It just seems like usually when someone leaves a high profile project like this, they'll try to give at least some kind of explanation.

 

[Timby]

Oh, OK. It just seems like usually when someone leaves a high profile project like this, they'll try to give at least some kind of explanation.

It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that part of DeMayo's separation from Marvel was a non-disparagement agreement or something along those lines. I've had to negotiate a few of those and basically it's a way of both sides covering their ass.

 

[JD]

I didn't think of something that, but that could be why they've been so quiet.

 

[Tosk]

I'm not sure if the show remembers this, but I remember from the comics that Nightcrawler's teleports conserve momentum -- if he's standing still when he bamfs, he'll be standing still when he arrives, and if he's falling fast when he bamfs, he'll have the same downward velocity when he materializes. So his power isn't really all that useful for catching a falling person, unless he reacts quickly enough to catch them in the first couple of seconds before they gain much speed.

I was rewatching eps of the old show and in Nightcrawler's first appearance they show that in this incarnation his teleportation can compensate for momentum. He teleports Rogue and himself from falling to just above the ground where they lightly touch down. And it's not just a case of "they weren't falling very fast" because he even alters their trajectory.

 

[Christopher]

I was rewatching eps of the old show and in Nightcrawler's first appearance they show that in this incarnation his teleportation can compensate for momentum. He teleports Rogue and himself from falling to just above the ground where they lightly touch down. And it's not just a case of "they weren't falling very fast" because he even alters their trajectory.

Okay, then. That probably would've bugged me at the time, or at least in reruns after I was more familiar with the comics.

 

[Tuskin38]

Couple interesting cameos in this episode

 

[Christopher]

Another very potent episode with some really well-written dialogue, especially Val Cooper's speech at the climax. Giving Catherine Disher a scene that strong must've been a way of making up for replacing her as Jean -- and Chris Potter, the original Gambit, gets to have a major presence as Cable.

The fact that the cyborg Sentinels could self-repair let them do a far more violent fight scene than FOX Kids would ever have permitted, one that really lets Wolverine cut loose. Nice touch to pair Logan and Kurt, who were pretty close in the comics IIRC.

Odd that the end credits listed Doctor Doom merely as "Latverian OZT Member." And it's a pity they couldn't get Christopher Daniel Barnes for Spidey's cameo, although his wordlessness is in keeping with his one or two cameos in the original series.

 

[David cgc]

Well, they certainly established Bastion's villainous bona fides very well. Not only was he doing something more repulsive and abominable to non-mutants than anything mutants could've done, they effectively built up to it by first suggesting it was a bunch of alt-right tiki-torch losers who, you know, maybe were asking for it when they were converted into murder-zombie-cyborgs, then seeing he did it to his own mother, then that he did it to, apparently, anyone else he could get his hands on.

Magneto being turned against humanity by the machinations of someone who is, by any metric you can imagine, less human than any mutant is... well, we'll see how it turns out. While he'd doubtless object to the characterization (or, rather, the implication of it), Magneto is a supremacist, and it makes him vulnerable to people telling him what he wants to hear. I read an interesting essay on Magneto earlier this week that covers that conflict in his character. It's easy to say "Magneto was right" when he's not on top, but his methods and aims make it clear that his problem isn't oppression, it's that he's not the oppressor.

I wonder if there was something to Jean drawing attention to the Blackbird-attrition over the season. Back in the original series, they just had one and a time, and those little single-seat planes, as well. Maybe she's foreshadowing that they've built up a fleet of them? Or it's just a joke about how easily replaced this huge, presumably expensive and hard-to-manufacture jet is.

 

[Tuskin38]

Odd that the end credits listed Doctor Doom merely as "Latverian OZT Member."

Baron Zemo is credited by name though. Odd.

 

[Samurai8472]

Beu Demayo has confirmed on social media the following

Spoiler

]- Rose Gilberti is Bastion's mother. She was a waiter at a bar in the classic series two-parter "One Man's Worth"
-Madame Masque was not the woman speaking to Bastion. It wasn't intended to be any villain actually, just a generic official

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

I've seen some people suggest that "Val Cooper" is actually Mystique in disguise... where does the latest episode leave that theory do we think?