Marvel All New, All Different - Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

[Guy Gardener]

I have no recolection of this.

Logically he wanted an audience, or he needed a reason to stop Tony Stark/SHIELD from Nuking him... Not that anymore could use... SHIELD must have Suitcase Nukes without wifi, specifically because hackers are assholes, which Ultron and Jarvis were not fighting over.

 

[Santa Kang]

I recently watched "Age of Ultron". Why did Ultron keep Natasha Romanoff a prisoner, instead of simply killing her?

He's a bad guy. It's what they do.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

In marvel news, they've revealed a cover for Marvel's new Legacy intiative

http://www.cbr.com/marvel-legacy-industry-changing-news-mark-brooks-variant/

Apparently tomorrow we'll be getting info on the books and writers for the Legacy books and possible relauches.

So far today, Marvel has only announced the homage covers for Legacy. As an example, here or here.

 

[kirk55555]

So far today, Marvel has only announced the homage covers for Legacy. As an example, here or here.

I was just going by what they said. Maybe they're waiting until later in the day. Or maybe the article was BS. Who knows with them

 

[JD]

Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't seen their big announcement yet, but there is still a lot of today left.

 

[LJones41]

He's a bad guy. It's what they do.

Oh. I see. You don't know.

 

[JD]

Is there a reason you brought this up here, and not in the Age of Ultron thread or the MCU thread?

 

[Santa Kang]

Oh. I see. You don't know.

I'm not Ultron, so I can't speak to his motivations. But keeping our heroes alive, when it makes more sense to kill them, is a pretty standard villain trope.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't seen their big announcement yet, but there is still a lot of today left.

If you read Marvel's press release yesterday, they didn't say there was a big announcement coming today. I think it's the lack of clarity in the PR that led people to assume Marvel was revealing something major.

Get ready for a new dawn True Believers — one whose rays will touch every corner of the Marvel Universe in the days to come! Tomorrow, get ready for the return of what you’ve been longing for — and more! Prepare for the debut of MARVEL LEGACY!

"A new initiative that will take things back to our iconic history, with a firm eye on the future, MARVEL LEGACY will present stories that remind everyone — newcomers and longtime fans alike — why Marvel stands as the premier name in fiction,” said Editor in Chief Axel Alonso. “Our titles will unearth gems from Marvel’s rich history, remind readers of connections between characters, and usher in the return of some major characters who’ve been missed. Above all else, we want to inject our comics with a massive dose of fun!"

Kicking off this September with MARVEL LEGACY #1, an over-sized 50-page, one-shot special, Marvel Comics titles step towards a bright new future – one that harkens back to what has made Marvel a household name while looking towards tomorrow. With fun and thrilling reveals primed to excite fans, both existing and new, this fall, prepare for MARVEL LEGACY!

I think these homage covers are all they're showing off today.

 

[JD]

I guess the announcement was more vague than I thought.

 

[kirk55555]

The new Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man book is great. Its only had one issue so far, but its my favorite issue of any solo Spider-Man book since before One More Day. It had a good story, it was really funny (and in a way that worked with a plot that wasn't a comedy plot), and Spider-Man was written very well. The person writing this also wrote the latest (and excellent, in my opinion) Howard the Duck volume.

I'd definitely give this issue a recommendation to anyone who likes Spider-Man, and not just as someone who has recently decided to permanently drop Amazing Spider-Man for as long as Dan Slott is writing. Regardless of your thoughts on the main Spidery book, I think the first issue of PP:TSSM is a fun, well written book.

 

[kirk55555]

Big Marvel Legacy Reveal, the books that are getting renumbered/etc

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/0...d-story-titles-and-there-are-53-books-not-52/

It looks like these are the "Legacy" books Marvel will be publishing regularl, starting with:

Spider-Man Vs Deadpool #23, Mighty Thor #700, Ms Marvel #25, Falcon #1, Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man #297, Weapon X #12, Marvel Two-In-One #1, Hawkeye #13, Guardians Of The Galaxy #146, Champions #13, Secret Warriors #8, Old Man Logan #31, Luke Cage #166, Invincible Iron Man #593, Iceman #6, Cable #150, X-Men Blue #13, Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows #13, Hulk #709, Astonishing X-Men #7, Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur #25, America #8, X-Men Gold #13, USAvengers #11, Unstoppable Squirrel Girl #27, Spirits Of Vengeance #1, Spider-Man #234, Spider-Gwen #25, Jessica Jones #13, Jean Grey #8, Gwenpool #21, Generation X #85, Doctor Strange #381, Defenders #6, Daredevil #595, Captain Marvel #125, Black Panther #166, Venom #155, Scarlet Spider #10, She-Hulk #159, Monsters Unleashed #7, Black Bolt #8, Amazing Spider-Man #789, All-New Wolverine #25, Royals #9, Punisher #218, Moon Knight #188, Despicable Deadpool #287, Iron Fist #73, Thanos #13, Avengers #672, Uncanny Avengers #28.

Besides the books I'm already reading that are just getting renumbered, I'm definitely interested in Spirits of vengeance #1 and Marvel Two-In-One #1. I wonder if She-Hulk #159 being listed means we're getting our first real book with She-Hulk since Civil War II. If its just more of that crap Grey Hulk who is Jennifer Walters in-name-only, I won't be checking it out. That terrible Hulk book just took the only hulk who is happy being a Hulk, gave her BS ptsd and basically just made her into her cousin but with lady parts. If this renumbering, which is also switching the titles name from Hulk to She-Hulk, is bringing back my favorite Marvel hero in her true form, I'll check it out.

I also might drop deadpool if its new name (Despicable Deadpool) is keeping him as a nazi... I mean "Hydra" agent.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is so funny...

What the Maker (Ultimate Reed Richards) calls the High Evolutionary....

Spoiler

"Herb".

 

[Turtletrekker]

let's face it, this was inevitable. The original Jean Grey will be returning. Again.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/comi...iginal-jean-grey-is-finally-returning-a153805

And when she comes back she'll have to choose between a teenage version of Scott and an old man version of Logan.

 

[JD]

I'm amazed it took them this long to bring her back. I did start to wonder if they were going to just leave her dead once they introduced the teenage version, but I guess not.

 

[safarial]

what's happened to the teenage versions so far?

 

[kirk55555]

let's face it, this was inevitable. The original Jean Grey will be returning. Again.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/comi...iginal-jean-grey-is-finally-returning-a153805

And when she comes back she'll have to choose between a teenage version of Scott and an old man version of Logan.

I'm glad she's coming back. She's been gone for years, and the teenage version of her (and the other original X-Men) all suck. I'm happy she's back.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

To me, this is an appropriate length of time to leave someone dead. I'm worried Wolverine will come back, which doesn't feel like nearly enough time.

 

[kirk55555]

https://www.polygon.com/comics/2017/9/14/16307304/secret-empire-ending-explained

Secret Empire is the second worst selling event comic in Marvel’s history. Furthermore, it failed to bolster sales of its tie-in issues — series launched out of Secret Empire, such as Secret Warriors, were already hovering around the cancellation line just a couple of issues in. Marvel has spent a lot of time and money on this event, and has come out of the other side with lower sales and lower confidence from readers and retailers alike.

Wow, who could have predicted this . In retrospect, the answer is almost everyone outside of Nick Spencer, Axel Alonso and Marvel's editors. Clicking on other links in the article about fan and retailer reactions, the whole event basically just made Marvel into a bunch of assholes without helping out financially. It turns out trying to justify a story involving Captain America being a Nazi and taking over America by saying that the group specifically created to be Nazi replacements were "totally just an ancient society and many totally aren't Nazi's" doesn't actually work as an excuse among comic fans. It seems, based off of links connected to that article, that along with people hating the story many comic shops refused to take part in marketing, since they didn't want posters on walls and shirts on employees supporting fucking HYDRA, for reasons obvious to, again, most people who aren't Spencer, Alonso or a Marvel editor.

I hope Marvel likes the consequences of doubling down on moronic, offensive decisions. Maybe Nick Spencer will just go away now.

 

[Santa Kang]

https://www.polygon.com/comics/2017/9/14/16307304/secret-empire-ending-explained



Wow, who could have predicted this . In retrospect, the answer is almost everyone outside of Nick Spencer, Axel Alonso and Marvel's editors. Clicking on other links in the article about fan and retailer reactions, the whole event basically just made Marvel into a bunch of assholes without helping out financially. I hope they like the consequences of doubling down on moronic, offensive decisions. Maybe Nick Spencer will just go away now.

I clicked the link to find out what the worst selling one was. Apparently it's Axis.