Marvel All New, All Different - Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

[Guy Gardener]

Stuff has to blow up so that they can put it all back together again.

These are temporary changes.

The movie Avengers are being disassembled (again) so that they can be reassembled (again) for a new issue #1 in concert with the cinema release of Avengers 3 part 1.

 

[Saga]

today's issue of Civil War II is more of the same old Bendis crap. ignore everything and go for shock value.

 

[kirk55555]

I've liked parts of Civil War, and I still do, but that stuf in #3 was complete BS. How does anyone come back from that? Honestly, that action has really tainted the character for me, regardless of how much bendis tried to justify his actions. Also,

Spoiler: Civil War #3

Bruce Banner could literally not become the Hulk. Totally Awesome Hulk just confirmed that he couldn't last week. So, not only could Banner not Hulk out right now, but hawkeye saying that he "saw Bruce's eyes turning green" is either a complete lie, or Bendis ignoring other books.

By the end of this event, characters like Carol Danvers (among others) will come off worse then Iron Man did after Civil War, and he was a full blown villain by the end of the original CW event. Is Marvel trying to make people hate half of their superheroes? It almost like they're trying to get readers to stop reading books like Captain Marvel, and they're doing it by making the characters as unlikable as possible.

 

[Saga]

I've liked parts of Civil War, and I still do, but that stuf in #3 was complete BS. How does anyone come back from that? Honestly, that action has really tainted the character for me, regardless of how much bendis tried to justify his actions. Also,

Spoiler: Civil War #3

Bruce Banner could literally not become the Hulk. Totally Awesome Hulk just confirmed that he couldn't last week. So, not only could Banner not Hulk out right now, but hawkeye saying that he "saw Bruce's eyes turning green" is either a complete lie, or Bendis ignoring other books.

By the end of this event, characters like Carol Danvers (among others) will come off worse then Iron Man did after Civil War, and he was a full blown villain by the end of the original CW event. Is Marvel trying to make people hate half of their superheroes? It almost like they're trying to get readers to stop reading books like Captain Marvel, and they're doing it by making the characters as unlikable as possible.

agreed. Totally Awesome Hulk recently gave us two really great Banner centered issues... and then this. kinda like twisting the knife in. the Captain Marvel title has been struggling ever since it launched. no one seems to know what to do with her. its just kinda there till her movie appearance.

 

[Mr Light]

I managed to stay unspoiled on WHO the death was, but the structure of the opening of the issue made it painfully obvious who it would be. I was hoping for someone small enough that the death might actually be for real, but such a major "death" will never last more than 1-2 years. Come on.

 

[Xerxes82]

I've liked parts of Civil War, and I still do, but that stuf in #3 was complete BS. How does anyone come back from that? Honestly, that action has really tainted the character for me, regardless of how much bendis tried to justify his actions. Also,

Spoiler: Civil War #3

Bruce Banner could literally not become the Hulk. Totally Awesome Hulk just confirmed that he couldn't last week. So, not only could Banner not Hulk out right now, but hawkeye saying that he "saw Bruce's eyes turning green" is either a complete lie, or Bendis ignoring other books.

By the end of this event, characters like Carol Danvers (among others) will come off worse then Iron Man did after Civil War, and he was a full blown villain by the end of the original CW event. Is Marvel trying to make people hate half of their superheroes? It almost like they're trying to get readers to stop reading books like Captain Marvel, and they're doing it by making the characters as unlikable as possible.

In regards to your spoiler, it's just Bendis. When he writes a comic, it's not a shared universe, it's Bendis' universe. He routinely ignores character history, and is notorious for ignoring what other writers are doing right now in other books. It's just something you have to get used to if you're going to read a Bendis-penned book. Which is precisely why I don't anymore, and never will again. He really peaked way, way back in the Daredevil/Alias days, and has been riding on that success ever since, quality of output since be damned.

For a hot minute, it looked like Marvel was moving out of Bendis' orbit and letting some other voices shine. That seems to have gone by the wayside now, however.

 

[kirk55555]

Honestly, I still like Bendis. He had the best Avengers run since I started regularly reading ongoing comics (around 2006). His New Avengers is my favorite Avengers run. He has problems, and Civil War II is definitely a mixed bag with some really bad parts and some good parts, but overall I like Bendis. He definitely has flaws and messes up sometimes though, and this was one of those times.

 

[Xerxes82]

Honestly, I still like Bendis. He had the best Avengers run since I started regularly reading ongoing comics (around 2006). His New Avengers is my favorite Avengers run. He has problems, and Civil War II is definitely a mixed bag with some really bad parts and some good parts, but overall I like Bendis. He definitely has flaws and messes up sometimes though, and this was one of those times.

*shrug* To each, their own. I absolutely loathed, LOATHED his Avengers run, or at least what I read of it. I think I made it into the first Civil War before I bailed on that snooze-fest. Bendis gets so much love for Ultimate Spider-Man, but the first 100 issues had maybe 40 issues of actual content. His Daredevil run is a masterpiece, however. I'm not afraid to say it might be the greatest run at the big 2 in a long, long time. Alias is excellent, and is helped by the fact that Jessica is his baby, through and through.

But since then, the only thing he's written that hasn't been drivel was Dark Avengers. That was entertaining comics.

Sadly, Civil War 2 is falling more and more in line with Secret Invasion as nearly the worst Marvel event of the event-era. Really only Fear Itself has been more utterly depressing in its awfulness. Though that isn't saying much, as most of the big line-wide events have been pretty mediocre anyway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I liked CWII, but at Barton's Trial Carol said that Banner was the first casualty of Ulysses' predictions.

That's weird as ####.

Awesome Hulk last week has a live Bruce Banner, and an unmangled She-Hulk visiting Cho at the mo, as the hero army congregates out side his flying RV to probably, I can only assume challenge him about some of Ulysses visions?

Continuity glitch, or still previous to Civil War II, or Skrulls?

It's possible that the Head Hulk in the back of the carboot in Cho's mind is a mental clone of Banner/Banner's Hulk, and the two of them are eventually going to assimilate Cho to some degree.

 

[Mr Light]

I have a lot of fundamental issues with Bendis' writing, but I do enjoy a lot of his comics. I loved his Avengers run. For all its faults, it revitalized a dead franchise. What were the Avengers before Bendis came onto the title? I still look at the late 2000s as the high point of Marvel Comics.

 

[safarial]

Here's a question, we know what happened to the young cyclops, whatever happened to the younger versions of Angel, Beast, jean Grey, and ice man?

 

[Saga]

Here's a question, we know what happened to the young cyclops, whatever happened to the younger versions of Angel, Beast, jean Grey, and ice man?

Jean is part of the Extraordinary X-Men book. the others are part of All New X-Men. Angel was dating X-23.

 

[safarial]

How long do you think the effects of Death of X will last?

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

How long do you think the effects of Death of X will last?

Could be a loong time.
They have a Cyclops (young) running around, so the trademark is safe.

Why I also think the original Wolverine might stay dead for a long time as well.

 

[Mr Light]

I'll bet you a million credits the original Wolverine comes back just in time for the Wolverine 3 movie

So, this big Apocalypse Wars non-crossover... I flipped through the first couple issues and stopped reading... is it true that the ACTUAL Apocalypse never actually appeared anywhere?!?! If so, that is so lame! We haven't seen him in continuity since what 2004?!

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I'll bet you a million credits the original Wolverine comes back just in time for the Wolverine 3 movie

I'll easily take that bet. The new movie is based on Old Man Logan. Guess which version of Wolverine is running around the universe now?

 

[kirk55555]

This week, both Deadpool #15 and Guardians of the Galaxy #10 (which have different writers) have a character hit a flying elbow on someone while shouting "Snap into a Slim Jim". It looks like Macho Madness is infecting the Marvel Universe

 

[JD]

I was pretty surprised to hear about what happened in CWII #3, I didn't expect them to go and do that to such a big, popular character after all of the stuff they've done to other characters lately.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Continuity glitch, or still previous to Civil War II, or Skrulls?

People have to stop thinking that just because a book comes out the same month it takes place at the same time. Let each book tell it's story at it's own pace.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Looked.

Fucked up again.

There was no confrontation at the end of Awesome 8.

What there was was the cover to Awesome 9 as an advertisement, which is where the super hero army confronting Cho is from that I remember, which could be a month later after the death of Jim Rhodes and completely disconnected to the meat of Awesome 8.

Sorry.

This is why I shouldn't be reading comics at 4am.