One thing... The Doctor. If you are referring to "BASICS, PART I", he wasn't made into a giant. He was accidentally transferred into space along with the fake Talaxian ship images, but he didn't increase in size.
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One thing... The Doctor. If you are referring to "BASICS, PART I", he wasn't made into a giant. He was accidentally transferred into space along with the fake Talaxian ship images, but he didn't increase in size.
Cardboard: in terms of kin, a cousin thrice-removed.
I fully support any measure that results in this list of clarifications being pinned in every Star Trek sub-forum.
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I agree, that is why I used the example of the real life 'pioneers'. IMO they were entitled squatters. 'Hey, we like it here, so what if someone was here first. God gave us your land.'
In the Maquis case its 'Hey, we like it here, so what if it's right next door to a fascist empire, we ain't moving'.
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I see Chakotay more as reserved and stoic. In a cast of actors who chew the scenery as hard as they can, Beltram did come off as the odd one out.
Well, even with the pioneers the options to leave were even more limited than the Maquis, which is why I find the Maquis even worse. I don't agree with the pioneers but selfishness feels worse with the Maquis.
At some point, don't we have to throw our hands up in the air in defeat? All of the actual settlers are minor and background characters. It wasn't TNG's or DS9's job to fill in the details of what may have motivated to test the odds under Cardassian administration. On the other hand, Voyager never bothered to explore the stories of any of the settlers who might have been part of the crew. We're never going to know who they are and why they want to stay, unless it's filtered through a former Starfleet officer.
Which is the other side of my frustration with efforts to justify the Maquis movement with "they were just defending their homes."
Only if by "defending your homes" do you mean that I can go to my local US ARMY battalion, and demand that they join up with my cause because I kept my land on the other side of a foreign power given by treaty, and surrendered by US citizenship, and then this new power starts acting hostile towards me when I choose to stay under their rule.
Just pause and think about that for a minute. Please imagine that scenario and see if that sounds reasonable?
I'm not the smartest person in the world but that strikes me as unreasonable.
What the Maquis situation most reminds me of is that I live ten minutes from the local airport, and there are homes amazingly close to it. I can only assume those homeowners knew that they were going to be living close to an airport, and that at some point in the future the airport might expand, and that the airport would have eminent domain over the surrounding land.
Sure enough, the airport has since expanded or will be expanding, and many of the nearby homes have been vacated and in multiple cases demolished. I would assume the people who moved away got fair deals on their homes, and I've never heard anything to the contrary, but I can't rule out the possibility that things went south for them, and they did have to leave their homes.
Consequently, it's easy for me to imagine the airport as the Cardassian Union and the people who bought homes near it as the settlers. Which I guess would make the Maquis people who bought homes near the airport and refuse to sell, and in some cases...damage the airport?
Sure enough, the airport has since expanded or will be expanding, and many of the nearby homes have been vacated and in multiple cases demolished. I would assume the people who moved away got fair deals on their homes, and I've never heard anything to the contrary, but I can't rule out the possibility that things went south for them, and they did have to leave their homes.
Consequently, it's easy for me to imagine the airport as the Cardassian Union and the people who bought homes near it as the settlers. Which I guess would make the Maquis people who bought homes near the airport and refuse to sell, and in some cases...damage the airport?
By his own admission, at a certain point Beltran stopped giving a fuck.
As an aside, this reminds me of a high school friend who bought his first house on one of the old main roads in our old NJ home town. A few years later a huge factory was built nearby, and the town claimed his land to build a driveway to the plant. Knocked down the house and built said driveway. For some reason, the owners of the plant decided not to use that driveway and closed it. It's now overgrown with trees and weeds. My friend bought another house of course, but was pissed forever.
Yep. Pretty accurate.
The Cardassian Union is the Airport, the new road or highway going through, the wild fire, the flood caused by a natural disaster or a planned reservoir creation, etc...
The Maquis could be liked Ed to these people:
You're probably right, but there's no point of reference.
They were projecting holographic star ships, so the power applied and the focal length should have made a big Doctor, and quite frankly since the Enterprise was able to hit a target the size of welcome-mat from a distance of 40 thousand kilometers in seconds, then Janeway is a fucking moron allowing herself to dogfight an enemy that needs to be less than a hundred meters away to skim a glancing blow off Voyagers hull.
Either the Kazon ships were really close, or the Doctor was really big.
Meanwhile, did a Kazon cityship the size of 40 Voyagers, sees a man sized man floating in space, and tries to shoot him with the main gun of a city ship, with a beam of disputer energy as thin as a garden hose, and miss by half a foot?
It's weird if he's big, and it's weird if he's little.
Unless their citizenship was with the airport this is not a good analog.
Sure it is. The government (Federation) takes the person's (Maquis) home by right of eminent domain, perhaps giving the owner fair market value for said home, and then gives or sells it (by treaty) to the airport (Cardassia).
So, does said homeowner (Maquis) take the money and resettle elsewhere, or do they refuse to sell/go to court/fight city hall/use Rubt Ridge or Waco style armed resistance (Maquis terrorist attacks).
In the broadest of strokes maybe.
But it ignores all the political facets and makes the Maquis sound more unreasonable than presented on screen.
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When was he passionate about the role?
As far as I know, he loved screwing groupies at conventions.
He’s on record saying he liked the script for Caretaker. Apparently at some point he stopped reading the scripts at all though.
I'm amused that an example that goes so far as to discuss people taking it upon themselves to damage or destroy an airport makes the Maquis sound more reasonable than presented on screen.
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