Mandela Effect

[Unimatrix Q]

I have read about the Mandela Effect and similar phenomenons before and i think in most cases it's simply false memories or something like that.

But sometimes i wonder, because something like that also happened to me during the early nineties, christmas 1991 to be exact. I remember watching the LOTR animated movie, which was broadcasted in Germany on television at that time. The dubbing was different to the one that was on tape, which i bought in 2001 when Peter Jackson's trilogy started. For example the names of the characters were the original english ones instead of the ones used in the german translation of the book (E.g. Frodo Baggins instead of Frodo Beutlin) which was used for the version on tape, Gandalf was dubbed by the same voice actor that was later used for Richard Attenborough in Jurassic Park and the name Smeagol was pronounced different than in the known version (Smeeegol instead of Smiggle).

When i watched the movie on tape i was really surprised at all the differences. First i thought they simply used another dub but i never found anything about another version on the Internet. Apparently the one on tape is the only one that was ever released in Germany.

What makes me wondering the most is the thing with the voice actor. I hadn't heard his voice before and when i saw John Hammond in Jurassic Park for the first time, all i thought is "This guy has the same voice as Gandalf"

I hadn't read the books and didn't knew anything about LOTR when i saw the movie in 1991. Actually seeing it started my interest in reading Tolkien's works and made me a fan.

Update: Another thing i want to mention is that i still have really vivid memories of that day when watched the movie. I played Super Mario Bros 3, which i got as a christmas present, on my NES and had a lot of fun with the game. The last level i played before watching tv was the fortress of World 2. In fact i was enjoying it so much that i missed a part of the movie. The first scene i saw was the Ringwraiths attacking Frodo.

When i watched the taped version a decade later, everything was the same but the voice actors, character names and some translations and pronouncements.

By the way the voice actor of Gollum/Smeagol in the version i saw on german television was the same one as for Toadwart in Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears, which i loved to watch as a child, instead of another one i'm not sure if i heard him before.

Edited my original post with additional information.

 

[Delta Vega]

Well, I've lived in a big city for years (before I moved to the countryside) and there are parts of the city where I wouldn't go for months, so if I saw some new building there, it wouldn't surprise me. However, I am sure I would have noticed if a new house would have suddenly appeared someplace that I would go by every day or so.

The point I'm making is that. yes, you notice the new build or construction going up.
It's only later that you think to yourself "What did that used to be before they built this new office block / hotel / library etc?"

 

[Spot's Meow]

But sometimes i wonder, because something like that also happened to me during the early nineties, christmas 1991 to be exact.

Situations like this drive me crazy, because you can't seem to prove what you experienced, but you feel so sure that you experienced it. I've had this happen to me as well. I researched it online and didn't find what I expected to, so I thought my memory must be wrong. But the specifics of the memory seem so solid. So then I think, well, not EVERYTHING'S on the internet, right? Maybe no one has written about this particular thing online before. Then I start to spiral into questions of data, memory, experience, what gets documented vs. what doesn't, etc. It's not a big leap into existential crisis.

An example that I've experienced is a line at the end of the animated Aladdin movie that apparently was never spoken. I saw the movie in the theater as a child, and at the end when (spoiler alert) the Genie is freed, Aladdin asks him what he's going to do next. The Genie is wearing a Goofy hat, implying he's going to Disneyland. Except, when I saw the movie in the theater that day, I SWEAR the Genie actually said, "I'm going to Disneyland!" before he left. I can even remember the inflections in Robin's voice and the Genie's body language while he was saying it. We later got the movie on tape and when I watched it again, this time he did not say the line. I thought that was odd, and figured that only the theatrical release must have included it.

But years later, now that the internet is around, I've looked into this and it apparently never happened. Or, I'm the only one who seems to remember it. What's funny is that in the live action Aladdin stage show that played at California Adventure for years, sometimes the Genie WOULD say that line at the end of the play, and everyone would laugh because obviously he already was in Disneyland. When I first heard it in the play, I was a little surprised, thinking "oh, they're going back to the line in the theatrical version!" But again, I can't seem to find anything about that online. I swear it happened!

 

[Gryffindorian]

Picture this: New York, 1954. Sophia Petrillo and her sister Angela attend a Christmas party. Their relationship will change for the next 30 years.

This is another good example of bad memory, or a big misunderstanding.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Situations like this drive me crazy, because you can't seem to prove what you experienced, but you feel so sure that you experienced it. I've had this happen to me as well. I researched it online and didn't find what I expected to, so I thought my memory must be wrong. But the specifics of the memory seem so solid. So then I think, well, not EVERYTHING'S on the internet, right? Maybe no one has written about this particular thing online before. Then I start to spiral into questions of data, memory, experience, what gets documented vs. what doesn't, etc. It's not a big leap into existential crisis.

An example that I've experienced is a line at the end of the animated Aladdin movie that apparently was never spoken. I saw the movie in the theater as a child, and at the end when (spoiler alert) the Genie is freed, Aladdin asks him what he's going to do next. The Genie is wearing a Goofy hat, implying he's going to Disneyland. Except, when I saw the move in the theater that day, I SWEAR the Genie actually said, "I'm going to Disneyland!" before he left. I can even remember the inflections in Robin's voice and the Genie's body language while he was saying it. We later got the movie on tape and when I watched it again, this time he did not say the line. I thought that was odd, and figured that only the theatrical release must have included it.

But years later, now that the internet is around, I've looked into this and it apparently never happened. Or, I'm the only one who seems to remember it. What's funny is that in the live action Aladdin stage show that played at California Adventure for years, sometimes the Genie WOULD say that line at the end of the play, and everyone would laugh because obviously he already was in Disneyland. When I first heard it in the play, I was a little surprised, thinking "oh, they're going back to the line in the theatrical version!" But again, I can't seem to find anything about that online. I swear it happened!

It's nice to see that i'm not alone with such a strange experience .

Things like this are creepy as hell but also really fascinating.

 

[Discofan]

Situations like this drive me crazy, because you can't seem to prove what you experienced, but you feel so sure that you experienced it. I've had this happen to me as well. I researched it online and didn't find what I expected to, so I thought my memory must be wrong. But the specifics of the memory seem so solid. So then I think, well, not EVERYTHING'S on the internet, right? Maybe no one has written about this particular thing online before. Then I start to spiral into questions of data, memory, experience, what gets documented vs. what doesn't, etc. It's not a big leap into existential crisis.

An example that I've experienced is a line at the end of the animated Aladdin movie that apparently was never spoken. I saw the movie in the theater as a child, and at the end when (spoiler alert) the Genie is freed, Aladdin asks him what he's going to do next. The Genie is wearing a Goofy hat, implying he's going to Disneyland. Except, when I saw the move in the theater that day, I SWEAR the Genie actually said, "I'm going to Disneyland!" before he left. I can even remember the inflections in Robin's voice and the Genie's body language while he was saying it. We later got the movie on tape and when I watched it again, this time he did not say the line. I thought that was odd, and figured that only the theatrical release must have included it.

But years later, now that the internet is around, I've looked into this and it apparently never happened. Or, I'm the only one who seems to remember it. What's funny is that in the live action Aladdin stage show that played at California Adventure for years, sometimes the Genie WOULD say that line at the end of the play, and everyone would laugh because obviously he already was in Disneyland. When I first heard it in the play, I was a little surprised, thinking "oh, they're going back to the line in the theatrical version!" But again, I can't seem to find anything about that online. I swear it happened!

Isn't that how deja vu works?

 

[Gryffindorian]

What about "quote unquote"? Or is it "quote end quote"?

I've noticed when family members tell the same story over and over, the details change over time. My oldest sister does this all the time. In one version, she talks about the people she met or spoke with at work or at a social gathering. When she recounts the event again, I notice that she changes the name of the person she interacted with. It's just faulty memory, I suppose.

 

[Discofan]

What about "quote unquote"? Or is it "quote end quote"?

I've noticed when family members tell the same story over and over, the details change over time. My oldest sister does this all the time. In one version, she talks about the people she met or spoke with at work or at a social gathering. When she recounts the event again, I notice that she changes the name of the person she interacted with. It's just faulty memory, I suppose.

I am not talking about your sister but for some people, it can also mean that they are lying. Nothing is easier not to deviate from than the truth. Liars tend to contradict themselves when they tell the same story several times. That's also why cops make witnesses, repeat their testimony again, and again. To evaluate the steadiness of the important details. At least the good cops do that.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I am not talking about your sister but for some people, it can also mean that they are lying. Nothing is easier not to deviate from than the truth. Liars tend to contradict themselves when they tell the same story several times. That's also why cops make witnesses, repeat their testimony again, and again. To evaluate the steadiness of the important details. At least the good cops do that.

I know what you mean. To quote Garak from Deep Space 9, "Never tell the same lie twice."

 

[publiusr]

Confabulated memories can occur even when no one really wanted to tell a lie. We fill in details with expectation--
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7d2a/862ec1b8b223dd8865437d9c8c9bbf797dea.pdf

Be it the coding of Kurzweil or the calligraphy of Karswell--I guess it all comes down to the proper Casting of the Runes.

 

[Redfern]

The way I remember it, "The lion shall lie down with the wolf."

I thought the lion got laid by the lamb...

 

[Discofan]

There are many things that induce our senses to lie to us, for example, our brains tend to make us see familiar shapes when there are none. Or make us see faces on unanimated objects. Plus people are not reliable witnesses in general. When you compare the reports of different people who've seen the exact same thing the differences are staggering!

 

[Kor]

There's a company in my region that buys derelict historical buildings/properties and turns them into lodges with on-site dining, spas, etc. One day I was on a road trip in an area that I usually only go to a couple times a year, and I did a double-take when I saw that they had a place on the side of a river in a late 19th/early 20th century style building that I didn't remember seeing there before. I figured the building must have always been there, as it was in an older architectural style, and seemed like the kind of place that would have been built along the water a century or so ago; I just never took notice before because it had been in run-down condition. They must have bought this historic place and done an awesome restoration job, since that's how they normally operate. So now the building caught my eye because it had been brought back to attractive condition, right? Still, this nagged at the back of my mind for a while. The next time I was in that area, I stopped in for a meal and asked about the building. It turned out that they just had it built brand new within the previous year. Before that it was an empty lot.

Kor

 

[Discofan]

There's a company in my region that buys derelict historical buildings/properties and turns them into lodges with on-site dining, spas, etc. One day I was on a road trip in an area that I usually only go to a couple times a year, and I did a double-take when I saw that they had a place on the side of a river in a late 19th/early 20th century style building that I didn't remember seeing there before. I figured the building must have always been there, as it was in an older architectural style, and seemed like the kind of place that would have been built along the water a century or so ago; I just never took notice before because it had been in run-down condition. They must have bought this historic place and done an awesome restoration job, since that's how they normally operate. So now the building caught my eye because it had been brought back to attractive condition, right? Still, this nagged at the back of my mind for a while. The next time I was in that area, I stopped in for a meal and asked about the building. It turned out that they just had it built brand new within the previous year. Before that it was an empty lot.

Kor

That reminds me of a Carnaval I went to where I met a woman with Carnaval makeup on, you know the exaggerated kind with lots of colors...
Well, suffice it to say that the next day I didn't recognize her on my way to the bathroom. Don't get me wrong, she was still beautiful, but for a moment I wondered what that woman I didn't know what doing there! She saw that on my face and fortunately, she laughed. And I wasn't even drunk! It was just the makeup!!!

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Posted it previously in another thread but deleted it there, because it belongs to this one and edited it with additional information.


OMG Stumbled on a Mandela Effect, i never heard of before, which changed everything for me.

One of my favorite songs in 1995 was Seal's "Kiss from a rose", which i fell in love with mostly because of Batman Forever and the music video, although i didn't like the movie as much as Tim Burton's first Batman movie and Batman Returns and i'm usually not a fan of most ballads. I even read the lyrics in the Bravo, a german youth magazine, when the song was released and became very popular.

I remember a part of the the lyrics as "kissed by a rose from a grave".

Now it is "kissed by a rose on the gray"

I'm absolutely shellshocked and still can't believe it!!!

The psychological theories about confabulation being the cause for mandela effects has taken a huge hit for me and don't seem as logical for me as before, as the "grave thing" was even mentioned by radio moderators at that time.

 

[Discofan]

Posted it previously in another thread but deleted it there, because it belongs to this one and edited it with additional information.


OMG Stumbled on a Mandela Effect, i never heard of before, which changed everything for me.

One of my favorite songs in 1995 was Seal's "Kiss from a rose", which i fell in love with mostly because of Batman Forever and the music video, although i didn't like the movie as much as Tim Burton's first Batman movie and Batman Returns and i'm usually not a fan of most ballads. I even read the lyrics in the Bravo, a german youth magazine, when the song was released and became very popular.

I remember a part of the the lyrics as "kissed by a rose from a grave".

Now it is "kissed by a rose on the gray"

I'm absolutely shellshocked and still can't believe it!!!

The psychological theories about confabulation being the cause for mandela effects has taken a huge hit for me and don't seem as logical for me as before, as the "grave thing" was even mentioned by radio moderators at that time.

I think this belongs more to the misheard lyrics thread where there are hundreds of examples of this.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I think this belongs more to the misheard lyrics thread where there are hundreds of examples of this.

I don't think so, because part of the conumdrum was reading the lyrics and i guess magazines like the one i mentioned got them directly from the record companies.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Not a Mandela Effect, but similar: Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You was a love song I was familiar with when I was growing up in another country. It was originally performed by an artist named George Benson. Several years later, back in the U.S. I was listening to the same song, but with a slightly different voice behind it, and the artist's name was Glenn Medeiros. Since it had been so long since I heard the G. Benson song, I just assumed it was Glenn Medeiros the whole time! But I still like the original GB version better.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Over on the Facebook "Star Trek: The Motion Picture Appreciation Society" group, we have several recurring Mandela Effect announcements that drive us crazy:

* the transporter accident was much scarier on opening night, with clear images of Sonak and Lori (the woman named only in the novelisation) screaming, and having their organs and skeletons writhing and twisting. (Yes, the sequence is vividly described in the novelization, and the victims are featured clearly in the 1980 calendar.)

* the security guard firing his phaser at V'ger's first probe, and getting digitised before it kidnaps Ilia. (The scene was rehearsed but never completed, nor any SPFX added, although a rehearsal shot depicted in the Topps gum cards shows the two guards with their phasers drawn. The shooting script suggests he gets turned into a pile of ashes. In the novelization he, Ensign Phillips, gets digitised, and is later eulogized, then more correctly "listed as missing" by Kirk, along with Decker and Ilia.)

* the guy who claims to have a "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Photostory" paperback in full colour (ie. not the b/w version everyone else has), supposedly found in his local bookshop in 1982, but now in storage at his mother's house so he can't show us. (We even got the book's creator, Richard Anobile, to tell us that what the fan claims to own is impossible.)

And I thought it was Mandala Effect, not Mandela.

https://theconversation.com/the-mandela-effect-and-how-your-mind-is-playing-tricks-on-you-89544

 

[Discofan]

I sort of got a Mandela effect feeling once when I learned that someone just died that I thought was dead years before. I don't have a clue as to what gave me the idea that he died before. I think it's a psychological thing comparable to deja-vu when you mistakenly think that you've already experienced something.