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Malaysian airliner feared lost..

Why do some people go on shooting sprees before killing themselves? Sometimes you just want to take a bunch of random people to the grave with you.

Not saying it was suicide, but it's hardly outlandish for a suicidal person to want to take others with them.

I guess it's not inconcievable, but if true it would be one of the biggest not-politically-motivated acts of mass murder ever (if not the biggest), which at least in my mind makes it unlikely.
 
No, actually I first heard the term "magic bullet accident" from a 777 pilot.

Very well, I'll amend that to "most professionals and experts."

Human intervention is actually a much simpler explanation for the specific set of evidence (at this point). To find mechanical problems that fit all the known facts is actually more convoluted.

That doesn't mean it must be due to human intervention, just that the probabilities favor that scenario at this point.

Despite what's said in the endless theorizing based on incomplete media reports, what is known now is still not inconsistent with pilots trying to fly the aircraft after some catastrophe, which could also have affected communications systems.

So, the pilots were flying a flyable plane, made several course/altitude changes, but choose not too land at an airport?

All the different communication systems (ACARS, radio, and transponder) have multiple backsups. They ALL went out?

If you have a way that fits the evidence, I'd truly be curious to hear.

Mr Awe
 
Flying the plane on a course toward Antarctica is pretty inconsistent with any attempt to avoid a disastrous ending.
 
Murder-suicide is an exceedingly simple explanation. The only problem with it is that it leaves the big unanswered question, "Why?"

IINM, joyride-suicide is the most likely explanation of the 2003 Boeing 727 theft, and this looks like the same thing but with 238 other people on board.

I guess it's not inconcievable, but if true it would be one of the biggest not-politically-motivated acts of mass murder ever (if not the biggest), which at least in my mind makes it unlikely.

Mass murder-suicide by commercial airline pilots has happened before.
 
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But why take all those people with him into his death? Surely he could have rented a smaller plane during his free time and do it alone.

Why do some people go on shooting sprees before killing themselves? Sometimes you just want to take a bunch of random people to the grave with you.

Not saying it was suicide, but it's hardly outlandish for a suicidal person to want to take others with them.

It seems a lot of extra work just for a suicide, though. Why not fly the plane straight down and crash? What was with the need to change course, turn off the transponder, etc.?
 
Perhaps some odd form of guilt or the wish to never be found, so the pilot's wife (who'd moved out on him the day before the flight) wouldn't get closure.
 
Pilot suicide is so stupid. If you want to kill yourself, there's so many ways to do it as an individual . But to kill other people on that aircraft as well, that is the ultimate act of selfishness.
 
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Murder-suicide is an exceedingly simple explanation. The only problem with it is that it leaves the big unanswered question, "Why?"

The "why" of most suicides is exceedingly personal and perhaps not easy for others to understand. People kill themselves for all kinds of reasons.
 
Plus the wellbeing of others is not something that's always on the mind of someone contemplating suicide. Jump off a building and you might land on someone, step in front of a train and you're probably going to fuck the driver up for life, in fact however you do it the chances are that for the person that finds your body (possibly a family member) it isn't going to be a pleasant experience, plus all the psychological trauma that entails.

I guess for a man who loved flying, that joyriding towards death, seeing how close you can get to the South Pole before the plane runs out of fuel might have an appeal...and you might even console yourself over the deaths of your passengers if you've convinved yourself that you gave them a painless, possibly even peaceful, death via hypoxia. Or he might just have put all thought of them out of his mind, acting as if, possibly even believing that, he was on his own.

Pure conjecture of course.
 
All the different communication systems (ACARS, radio, and transponder) have multiple backsups. They ALL went out?

Nobody thought a DC-10 could lose all three hydraulic systems at once, till it happened.

If you have a way that fits the evidence, I'd truly be curious to hear.

I have no theory because (a) I don't have applicable experience or knowledge and (b) there is very little reliable evidence at this point.
 
Pilot suicide is so stupid. If you want to kill yourself, there's so many ways to do it as an individual . But to kill other people on that aircraft as well, that is the ultimate act of selfishness.

Regardless, it HAS happened. But usually in not so elaborate a way as to have the plane "lost" between ATC handoffs, flying 1000s of miles off course and so forth.
 
All the different communication systems (ACARS, radio, and transponder) have multiple backsups. They ALL went out?

Nobody thought a DC-10 could lose all three hydraulic systems at once, till it happened.

If you have a way that fits the evidence, I'd truly be curious to hear.

I have no theory because (a) I don't have applicable experience or knowledge and (b) there is very little reliable evidence at this point.

Well, for the time being I'm going with the simplist theory that human intervention is behind it. Not sure who or why, but that's far more likely than a magic bullet accident that happens at just the right moment (between controllers) and by chance navigates the plane with multiple course/altitude changes to fly to one of the remotest, hardest to search spots on the globe!

Mr Awe
 
I have no theory because (a) I don't have applicable experience or knowledge and (b) there is very little reliable evidence at this point.

You're never gonna get an anchor position at CNN or Fox News with that kind of reasonable attitude. ;)
 
Sorry...

"Is it possible that they flew straight to Heaven?"

"Or maybe they timed this all out in a "24" style plot, and had another airplane fly upside down next to this one, transfered the passengers and cargo to the other plane, sprinkled debris around for investigators to find, and are now off with the empty plane repainting it in rainbow colors in order to try and take away our freedoms and make us get gay marriages? The passengers are being reprogrammed to become sleeper agents in case this becomes popular and they need material for a sequel..."

:)
 
I saw some deranged theory that the plane was diverted by the CIA to the Diego Garcia naval base where the Chinese nationals jointly working with the US on some fancy security technology were brought to have their work seized, as they intended to double-cross the US and run off with it somewhere, so the US had to get them first. The Chinese engineers were captured and interrogated, their prototypes in the plane's cargo hold were seized, and everyone else was quietly killed.

Sounds like the plot of a Tom Clancy novel.
 
A Clancy novel would make more sense...

I see they've now shifted the search area based on the fact that the plane had travelled faster/ used more fuel than initially thought.
 
I guess we got bored. The thread has been idle for days and slipped to the second page.

CNN, on the other hand, is still pretty much refusing to cover any other story.
 
I guess we got bored. The thread has been idle for days and slipped to the second page.

CNN, on the other hand, is still pretty much refusing to cover any other story.

There's not been too much in the way of development for quite some time. They're still looking in the presumed search area, usual garbage in the ocean is making fining plane wreckage difficult, weather conditions in the area has made finding wreckage difficult, and there's special ships enroute (or about there by now) with trackers to find the "black boxes" but those are useless if they don't have at least some idea where to look. The black boxes have a few days of battery power left.
 
I think it is about time all aircraft were fitted with the 90 day batteries.

A friend also asked me if it was possible to make black boxes float as she said it would make them easier to find and recover. My agument against this was that it would mean that black boxes might no longer be near the rest of the wreckage.
 
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