Mainstream Publishing Industry Says it Will KEEP OUT Trump Supporters

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  1. yotsuya

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    You are seriously ill informed on what constitutes illegal immigration. Sure there are some who cross the borders illegally, but most people in this country illegally have overstayed their visa. That instantly cuts all numbers in half and recenters where they are from. The other group are refugees, which are a special case. When you remove those from the numbers it drops even more. So illegal immigration is not as dire as Trump and the Republican party made it out be. Trump actually went against US and international law on a number of things. Fortunately he did it through executive order so it can be reversed as easily. Trump's use of immigration was racially motivated. He was trying to make scape goats of illegal immigrants from Mexico following the fascist playbook of Hitler. Rather than focusing on one group, he put two together, Latinos and Muslims. I am all in favor of doing something about the illegal immigration this country is dealing with, but it needs to be done in the system and closing the border and kicking everyone illegal out is not the answer. DACA is one of the ways to fix part of the problem. It will eventually take care of itself because the next generation will be American born and citizens (like all our ancestors).

    My political point of view can best be described as apolitical but relying heaving on the study of science and history and other pieces of reality.
     
  2. StarMan

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    Here in NZ, the Democrats are closer to our major right-wing party (National). The "radical" left that keeps conservatives awake at night in fear of the US turning into a former Soviet Bloc state would be just left of centre. :lol:
     
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  3. Oddish

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    Comparing Donald Trump with Adolf Hitler is completely laughable. Under Trump's rule, before Covid essentially destroyed things, our minority population had the lowest unemployment rate in decades. Under Hitler's, they would either be dead or herded into ghettos.

    You have destroyed your credibility with that inane remark.
     
  4. Finn

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    You are twisting that comment.... He was talking about scapegoating minorities/ marginalized people...
     
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  5. Relayer1

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    And that's only the likes of Bernie and AOC, who are outliers in the party. The bulk of the Democrats are right and centre right.

    Sadly the whole American political spectrum is distorted rightwards. They're terrified of socialism being imposed by mainstream conservatives.

    Go figure.
     
  6. CorporalCaptain

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    A swing and a miss, there. Mainstream conservatives do not "terrify" the US into adhering to any particular ideology. (I mean, you have a dangling modifier there, but I assume you mean that "they" are being terrified by mainstream conservatives, not that there is a threat of mainstream conservatives imposing socialism. :sigh:)

    If you're interested in attaining a more accurate understanding of why socialism is political poison in mainstream American, perhaps you should review the Cold War. Yes, it's been over for thirty years, but it still casts a long shadow.
     
  7. Relayer1

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    No, my meaning was that there seems to be a false narrative that a mainstream conservative party like the Democrats will, for some unfathomable reason, impose socialism.

    It's disingenuous and it's fearmongering. Disingenuous as it's clearly a falsehood, fearmongering as the proposed "socialised health care" is nothing to be afraid of. Not in the rest of the world, anyway.

    Yeah, I'm old enough (57) to be kind of familiar with the Cold War. Europe was...also involved. Just a little.

    We do, however, understand the difference between communism and socialism. For the most part, anyway. There's a vast, vast difference between the two, which amuses us when we hear, for instance, state provided healthcare described as "communism".

    I'd describe myself as leaning towards democratic socialism or social democracy, depending on your definition and understanding. I currently favour a mixture of state and private sector ownership, but as we move (hopefully) towards a post scarcity environment expect state ownership to dominate.

    But coming back to my earlier post, no the Democrats aren't going to impose socialism. But 'some' people act as if they will.
     
  8. CorporalCaptain

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    What you call mainstream conservatives aren't mainstream conservatives here in the US, so there's absolutely no chance of socialism being imposed by mainstream conservatives in the US, full stop.
     
  9. cardinal biggles

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    So if Biden and other moderate Democrats are the equivalent of mainstream European conservatives, what does that make Mitch McConnell? Nigel Farage? U.S. politics is so ridiculously skewed to the right that either the analogy breaks down, or mainstream Republicans really are one step short of full-on fascism (which the extremist wing of their party already seems to have embraced with abandon). :confused:
     
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  10. Relayer1

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    Yes, that's EXACTLY my point.

    Democrats are mainstream conservatives.

    I saw Republican supporters saying how important it was to keep Biden out to prevent him bringing socialism to the U.S.A.

    He was NEVER going to bring socialism to the U.S.A. but the Republican narrative is that everything not as far to the right as the Republicans is socialism.
     
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  11. Relayer1

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    Farage attracted a lot of the British far right. It was the first time a lot of those voters had a candidate that appealed to them. He also took votes from the right extreme of the Conservative party. So concerned were they that they lurched further to the right also.

    I don't think the mainstream Republicans are actually verging on fascism, but under Trump it looked like things were heading that way - unapologetically too. They've got a big choice to make now.
     
  12. J.T.B.

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    And Obama before him. There is very little understanding of these terms as they're thrown around in the US today. That's how you get classic lines like "Keep the goddamn government out of my social security!"

    The former governor of my state who left office in January has announced that he will be devoting his next efforts to an institute that will teach the virtues of free market capitalism and the evils of socialism... at a government-funded, public employee-staffed university!

    Wasn't that the real origin of Brexit, Cameron thought it would fail and get a defeated UKIP off his back once and for all?
     
  13. Awesome Possum

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    First of all, this is blatant transphobia and you're profoundly ignorant of how HRT works. Also outside of the fevered minds of transphobes this has been settled by the International Olympic Committee.
    Granted that isn't good enough for transphobes since their goal is just to hurt trans people while claiming they're protecting someone else.
     
  14. Relayer1

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    That simply shouldn't be allowed, both legally, nor by any university administration committed to knowledge, fact and critical decision making.

    Partially. There had also been decades of factional infighting regarding E.U. membership within the Conservative party.
     
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  15. Awesome Possum

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    Cancel culture isn't real either, it's the same old political correctness bullshit from the 90s. It's just bigots being upset they can't use slurs without consequences anymore. They want to be able to use the n-word, push fascism and want to violently overthrow the government, and openly harass minority groups without anyone trying to stop them. Thankfully it isn't working for them anymore, so they're reduced to claiming they're the victims of those mean minorities demanding equality. Fuck them.
     
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    If one is a bigot maybe they ought not be in an industry were they might have to interact with targets of their bigotry.
     
  17. Awesome Possum

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    If it's okay for a baker to deny a cake to a gay couple then it's fine for a book publisher to deny publishing rights to a conservative. If a gay couple doesn't have a right to a cake then conservatives don't have a right to get their drivel published. Unless this is just about excluding LGBTQ people.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    And making it difficult for said immigrants to follow those procedures because you don't think people of their race should comprise the genetic makeup of your country, and then calling them all rapists is racism.

    At least half of Trump supporters are racists. Not all of them are KKK style "We hate people of this race and want to violently hurt them racists". A lot more are "Leave me alone and don't complain about the inequities that make my life easier and safer than yours" racists.
     
  19. JirinPanthosa

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    That's a simplistic, naive assessment of the situation. Contrary to what Hannity will tell you, most democrats don't want totally open borders. They want a sane process that makes it so people fleeing violence can lawfully apply for asylum. Then if they come over illegally but don't commit any other crimes, they want them given a fair trial and compassionately and humanely dealt with. Trump went out of his way to make it very, very difficult to come in legally, very difficult to even get the information you need for how to apply legally, and he made the conditions of detainment inhumanly brutal. He's not only against illegal immigration, he hates legal immigration just as much. And what he did wasn't enforce the law, it was inhuman brutality. Motivated by just not wanting Mexicans and South Americans in the country at all. He did the same thing when he ran an ad saying we should ban all Muslims from the country and make people register as Muslim.

    Some of the people he deported were full grown adults brought here by their parents when they were 2, have never committed a crime and have never known any country but the US. And if you came over illegally because it was impossible to come over legally, because it was the only way to avoid being murdered by gangs, then committed no other crimes it's a 'Stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family' situation.

    Yes, there are other reasons than racism people voted for Trump. Like, homophobia and transphobia. Or just generally thinking Christian culture is the only one that should be welcome in the US. Some of them just wanted economic deregulation and didn't give a damn what he did to anyone else. Those ones weren't racist, but they were unbothered by racism.
     
  20. JirinPanthosa

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    That comparison is ridiculous. Comparing black lives matter protests, the vast majority of which were peaceful, and never got more violent than a few broken windows to violently invading the capitol building to overthrow the government? Are you serious?
     
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