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Mainstream Publishing Industry Says it Will KEEP OUT Trump Supporters

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Oddish said:
Fine. You probably also think it's fair for a Rottweiler to fight a Pug because they're both dogs.
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First of all, Rotties can be pussycats. Some pugs from a rougher environment would be able to take on some Rotties.



It's because their religious beliefs (protected by the First Amendment) prohibited homosexuality. They believed that baking the cake would be participation in something their faith opposed. If you were a sign painter, would you want to paint a bunch of TRUMP FOR 2024 signs? Or would you prefer the right to refuse?
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I have real problems with that. The old testament doesn't actually forbid homosexuality. We need to stop this "religious beliefs" bullshit, as anyone might claim any random comment to be their religious claim. We gotta draw the line somewhere.
 
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If your religious beliefs state that homosexuality is wrong, don't marry someone of the same gender. No one will force you to.

There's your religious freedom.

Telling me I can't marry someone of the same gender is religious tyranny.

I don't want to live in a Christian theocracy.
 
1001001 said:
If your religious beliefs state that homosexuality is wrong, don't marry someone of the same gender. No one will force you to.

There's your religious freedom.

Telling me I can't marry someone of the same gender is religious tyranny.

I don't want to live in a Christian theocracy.
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Actually its not just Chrisianity, there are other religions that also say homosexuality is a sin, like Islam. (To the point of them still stoning them, or as in Isis just throw them off a building.)
But I doubt an islamic bakery would be the first choice of a gay couple for there wedding cake.

It's says freedom of All religion, not just Christians.

But I do agree, marage shouldn't even involve the government at any level, and marry whomever you like.
 
valkyrie013 said:
But I do agree, marage shouldn't even involve the government at any level, and marry whomever you like.
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But it does involve the government (taxation, community property, child custody, inheritance).

And religious nutjobs have pushed and pushed the government not to recognize same sex marriages.

That's not freedom of religion, that's religious oppression., and a violation of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"
 
1001001 said:
But it does involve the government (taxation, community property, child custody, inheritance).

And religious nutjobs have pushed and pushed the government not to recognize same sex marriages.

That's not freedom of religion, that's religious oppression., and a violation of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"
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110% agree. in my whole life I've never understood denying rights to other people based on color, gender, orientation, why?
If you've done an actual crime then some rights are lost temporarily or permanently, but only after your day in court.

As for marriages yes sadly government is involved, and screws up the process. Should be just a rubber stamp of okay, you 2 were married by a some type of authority, here ya go, mazel tov.
 
Oddish said:
Shake, I refuse to adopt your position. Your statement is not backed by any statistical evidence; I therefore denounce it as wishful thinking. It will not get me to believe that 70 million Americans are racists just because they voted for Trump, especially when they had other reasons. Sorry to destroy the sense of empowerment you get from these little statements, but there is nothing you can do to change my mind.

As to who should be president... we have not gotten a good candidate in many years. The Republican party is so broken, Trump was able to hijack it. The Democratic party is so broken, it couldn't beat him in '16, and it was closer than it should've been last year. But in general, I'll take someone with common sense.
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All those Trump voters may not be racist, but the racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. weren't dealbreakers for them.
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Calling Trump a racist because he supported rule of law regarding undocumented immigrants is false. If we want open borders, then Congress should enact open borders: introduce a bill, vote on it, have Biden sign it into law. What we're doing now, declaring undocumented immigration to be illegal but just letting them in anyway, is beyond ridiculous.
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No, Trump is a racist because he's always been a racist.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-racism-examples_n_5991dcabe4b09071f69b9261

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/
Oddish said:
However, the systematic exclusion of right-leaning writers is hardly respectful of the right to free speech.
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https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.pn
 
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Awesome Possum said:
Freedom of speech only means the government can't censor you, it doesn't mean you get a free pass to say hateful shit without any criticism or personal consequences.
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To reiterate what you just said:

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valkyrie013 said:
As for marriages yes sadly government is involved, and screws up the process. Should be just a rubber stamp of okay, you 2 were married by a some type of authority, here ya go, mazel tov.
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I don't get what you're saying. Without marriage laws, there would be no process, there would be nothing to stamp. Government is involved with the administration of law, there is no way around it.
 
Awesome Possum said:
Moderate Democrats are center-right, our most left leaning politicians are basically center-left and push for policies that other first world countries consider a given like single payer healthcare. Bernie Sanders would be considered moderate in most countries.
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Single payer healthcare is not realistic, Awesome Possum, and no country has it, ever, as this article shows.
 
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They didn't used to be involved, was just a ship captain, you local pastor, common law, etc. but once you got Taxes ( which honestly doesn't work today with 2 income households, when I was maried always filed single) and other things, the government got involved, and then comes people with different opinions that stopped people from getting there licenses ( if you were gay, person of color, etc) when it should have been just a rubber stamp of the license from the start.

I'm a firm believer in as little government as possible, they just screw things up sideways usually.
 
valkyrie013 said:
@J.T.B.
They didn't used to be involved, was just a ship captain, you local pastor, common law, etc. but once you got Taxes ( which honestly doesn't work today with 2 income households, when I was maried always filed single) and other things, the government got involved, and then comes people with different opinions that stopped people from getting there licenses ( if you were gay, person of color, etc) when it should have been just a rubber stamp of the license from the start.

I'm a firm believer in as little government as possible, they just screw things up sideways usually.
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The government (or whatever law-making structure existed) has always been involved in marriage as long as it has existed as a state-recognized institution. Plato was writing about marriage property laws and tax penalties around 340 BCE.

I agree that there should be no discrimination as to who can marry, but if you think that the government should not be involved on any level, I wonder what you picture as the alternative? People would still live together, would still commingle assets and property, and would still go to court when they split up and couldn't agree on everything. If all marriage laws were repealed, the civil courts would soon be in total chaos; everybody would agree "There ought to be laws to regulate this!"
 
@J.T.B.
Guess I'm crap at explaining, sorry.
I know that the government is in marriages, and all the ancillaries of family law. Was just trying to say, Marry who you want, the govenment should have no say in the matter whom you marry. And stay out as much as possible, not total anarchy and chaos.
Sorry if I caused any confusion.
 
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@J.T.B.
Guess I'm crap at explaining, sorry.
I know that the government is in marriages, and all the ancillaries of family law. Was just trying to say, Marry who you want, the govenment should have no say in the matter whom you marry. And stay out as much as possible, not total anarchy and chaos.
Sorry if I caused any confusion.
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That's all well and good until you go to get married and no religion will marry you because they're against you getting married. The government is required to treat all citizens equally, religion is allowed and encourages discrimination. So without the government, only certain people will be allowed to get married, which is why this is a common dodge from those who oppose marriage equality but are trying to hide it.
 
Awesome Possum said:
That's all well and good until you go to get married and no religion will marry you because they're against you getting married. The government is required to treat all citizens equally, religion is allowed and encourages discrimination. So without the government, only certain people will be allowed to get married, which is why this is a common dodge from those who oppose marriage equality but are trying to hide it.
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Huh? When did I bring religion in?
And on every post I said yes, marry whomever you want?
And that the government since day 1 should just rubber stamp it. ...
Never said some random priest from some hackney church had to bless the marriage.

..sooo? I call bs on your claim I appose marriage equality..
 
valkyrie013 said:
Huh? When did I bring religion in?
And on every post I said yes, marry whomever you want?
And that the government since day 1 should just rubber stamp it. ...
Never said some random priest from some hackney church had to bless the marriage.

..sooo? I call bs on your claim I appose marriage equality..
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I didn't say you did, just that's been a common dodge used in every debate about marriage equality.
 
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