Lt.Kyle

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Attentiveluke, Apr 2, 2022.

  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    A time honored tactic.
     
  2. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    Even if you buy that she was as malleable as you suggest, at no point did she talk like she did in the trailer.
     
  3. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    Poor writing and acting is no reason to keep the character stagnate.
     
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  4. Jadeb

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    That’s lame.
     
  5. ChallengerHK

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    They might be lacking ability rather than interest.
     
  6. Jadeb

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    Maybe, but I was speaking generally there. I hope it will be great. We’ve only seen a few minutes of footage, after all. It’s possible to take a critical view of what we’ve seen without drawing sweeping conclusions.
     
  7. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    Sorry, Never been impressed by Majel's turn as Chapel. Loved her as Lwaxana though. NuChapel might have some of Lwaxana's sass. ;)
     
  8. Jadeb

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    Interesting — I have no real fondness for Lwaxana. Fine in small quantities but ultimately tiresome. But if they brought her back, I’d want the characterization to be consistent.
     
  9. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    If Lwaxana has one thing it's character. Chapel, not so much.
     
  10. Serveaux

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    Nope.

    I'm sorry that some people don't like what they're doing with this show - but really, it's fine.
     
  11. Jadeb

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    I wouldn’t have guessed you to become so averse to even mild criticism/dissent. I will be curious to see if your full-throated defense of the show survives actually watching it.
     
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  12. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    His opinion is entitled to evolve and change. I think he understands how these things are put together. None of us have seen the final product yet. It may look good but suck. Wouldn't be the first time.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Everything, obviously.

    I mean, never mind that people, especially early on in their careers, will go through changes in how they present themselves professionally, it's clear that Chapel is not the same person as seen before. Because....
     
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  14. Jadeb

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    Yeah, I’m very enamored of the production design and the cast, so I’m trying not to let that color my perception of everything. I’m looking forward to it but trying to be level-headed to avoid the disappointment of outsized expectations.
     
  15. Serveaux

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    You mistake irritation at the superficial fannish kvetching about trivia passing as "critcism" that goes on in these topics for a defense of something that, having not aired a single episode, does not need one.

    What would make a difference in my feelings about this show when I see it would be narrative storytelling, not whether or not they've squared up the angles with all (or even most) of seven or eight hundred hours of inconsistent television produced over half a century.

    Calling the producers' creative approach "cynical" because they're apparently not properly addressing your personal expectations regarding the poor original of a minor character from the 1960s version is not meaningful criticism. "I didn't personally like this bit" neatly covers the whole content of that complaint.
     
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  16. Noname Given

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    What are you talking about? If anything after TOS S1 " What Are Little Girls Made Of", the original writers abandoned what little backstory they had for Christine Chappel as a character. GR turned her into a platinum blonde caricature in season 1; and the only real character growth she had in later seasons was that she became a more standard yellow blonde.

    The biggest thing the character is known for to this day is her unrequited love/pining for Mister Spock; who was never able to return it.

    I guess in the TOS days the production team felt; How far can you take a character whose name is a play on the 'Sistine Chapel'?:angel:

    But yeah sorry, even with every appearance this character had in TOS, and her one seen as a doctor in ST:TMP, honestly the character is close to a blank slate to expand upon as you can get.

    Hell, at this point I'm surprised you're not complaining that she's not also played by Rebecca Romijn; since it was Majel Barrett who played both characters in TOS.:rommie:
     
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  17. fireproof78

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    I was making a joke.
     
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  18. Jadeb

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    I’m surprised that you, as a writer, are objecting to the notion that characters should be portrayed consistently. It’s not exactly a hot take. If they don’t like or want to use the prior characterization, create a new character.

    This is totally different than being hidebound to every tiny detail in the franchise’s history. Chapel’s appearance in SNW is entirely optional.
     
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  19. ChallengerHK

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    But then there's that pesky talent issue again.

    If I didn't know better, I'd think that they call it Star Trek, and they have characters named Kyle and Chapel, smply to get old school fans to watch the show. But that's absurd.
     
  20. Nerys Myk

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    You'd have to start with the character actually having a characterization to begin with.