And then Khan became a pasty white British man. 
Lt.Kyle
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Just like Kyle will. And Robert April. Hey Trek, what are you trying to pull?And then Khan became a pasty white British man.
Warpwashing.
Recasting. It's a bitch.Just like Kyle will. And Robert April. Hey Trek, what are you trying to pull?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!What? That killed your immersion and not:
Ricardo Montalbán as Khan with an Indian surname and background (despite being and sounding quite Mexican...)
Precasting?
Maybe he was doing a long game prank on Kirk by having a white guy pretend to be him and see if he ever reacted or noticed.
It was his adopted brother, Also Lieutenant Kyle.
For some strange reason I don’t mind the Robert April recasting as much as I do the Lt. Kyle. Although I do wish they’d kept April a Brit. The actor could have pulled off a serviceable enough accent.
Kyle I dunno. I barely think of his TOS incarnation. Looked like a James Dean lookalike there for pop appeal. Like Chekov’s Monkeys/Beatles cut. Not much there beyond a familiar face.
What if this version was a Bieber lookalike. Or Chalamet? I could have done with an Australian accent for something different, but British would do.
I didn't like that the first alien world we went to was Kiley…just kinda messy.
Maybe they should have made the head of Stellar Cartography an Asian man. Build a cool new set to hang out in for Season 2? Maybe she’s a woman. A female Asian Indiana Jones in a high tech lab like the one in GEN, but with alien cartographic scrolls…and when she’s not there, she’s off discovering the Aurelian lost flying city of Atlantis or something. She’s very popular with the girls.
Kyle I dunno. I barely think of his TOS incarnation. Looked like a James Dean lookalike there for pop appeal. Like Chekov’s Monkeys/Beatles cut. Not much there beyond a familiar face.
What if this version was a Bieber lookalike. Or Chalamet? I could have done with an Australian accent for something different, but British would do.
I didn't like that the first alien world we went to was Kiley…just kinda messy.
Maybe they should have made the head of Stellar Cartography an Asian man. Build a cool new set to hang out in for Season 2? Maybe she’s a woman. A female Asian Indiana Jones in a high tech lab like the one in GEN, but with alien cartographic scrolls…and when she’s not there, she’s off discovering the Aurelian lost flying city of Atlantis or something. She’s very popular with the girls.
Because the Robert April recasting is a great idea, and the Kyle recasting an idiotic one?
I suppose it really says something about how much SNW gets right that the Kyle recasting is their stupidest decision yet. April was the right move -- there are compelling dramatic reasons to use that character, and the first three captains of the Enterprise all being white men would be legitimately gross.
There is no reason to resurrect Kyle, a character of no characteristics, except as an easter egg, and easter eggs are all about replicating the little details, which this obviously isn't doing. The fun reason to see Kyle again would be if they found an actor who was an uncannily perfect match for young John Winston. Failing that, why bother?
And it's not like TOS is lacking in throwaway crewpeople played by actors of color. Increasing diversity is the right move and TOS callbacks are a fine impulse, they can easily have them both while just leaving the throwaway white guys on the shelf.
The Kyle thing really does bug me. It fails as an easter egg, it fails as diversity, it fails as an interesting new story, and it saddles André Dae Kim with baggage he doesn't need. He seems great! Just let him be his own character, for fucks sake!
That really does seem inconsistent with MA's approach to... everything else on the site.
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The problem with your reasoning is that if you look at the pilot The Cage, the assistant transporter chief in the episode was visibly of Asian descent. So if anything they were taking their cues from that pilot episode.Because the Robert April recasting is a great idea, and the Kyle recasting an idiotic one?
I suppose it really says something about how much SNW gets right that the Kyle recasting is their stupidest decision yet. April was the right move -- there are compelling dramatic reasons to use that character, and the first three captains of the Enterprise all being white men would be legitimately gross.
There is no reason to resurrect Kyle, a character of no characteristics, except as an easter egg, and easter eggs are all about replicating the little details, which this obviously isn't doing. The fun reason to see Kyle again would be if they found an actor who was an uncannily perfect match for young John Winston. Failing that, why bother?
And it's not like TOS is lacking in throwaway crewpeople played by actors of color. Increasing diversity is the right move and TOS callbacks are a fine impulse, they can easily have them both while just leaving the throwaway white guys on the shelf.
The Kyle thing really does bug me. It fails as an easter egg, it fails as diversity, it fails as an interesting new story, and it saddles André Dae Kim with baggage he doesn't need. He seems great! Just let him be his own character, for fucks sake!
That really does seem inconsistent with MA's approach to... everything else on the site.
That can't be. We all know they haven't watched any Star Trek and hate Star Trek!
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but that actually supports what I would have preferred. That transporter tech was unnamed, he's not the TOS Kyle. Cast André Dae Kim and say in your BtS interviews he's playing the Transporter Tech from "The Cage", and that would have been a pretty damn cool easter egg, exhibiting both attention to detail and adherence to Trek's core principle of diversity.
The path they went instead is just weird and off. Like if they'd cast Babs Olusanmokun to play Dr. Boyce, when Dr. M'Benga is just sitting there waiting to be resurrected.
Maybe TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are two different people who share the same surname.
Hell, if both Galloway and Leslie can die and suddenly reappear alive and well with no explanation much less fanfare then I can buy that the SNW Kyle is a different man from the TOS Kyle.
TOS guy was Cowl anyway.
He even changed shirt colors for one episode. I demand answers!
Bored already. Next?
Bored already. Next?
The crew in TOS was actually only 200. They changed shirts to bump up the numbers. Kirk collected the extra pay for himself.
Kirk ripped most of his own shirts. He had to claim the crew was 430 just to have enough of a supply of his own.
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