Spoilers Lower Decks Ep set at DS9

[drt]

Except Paris explicitly referred to the Federation Naval Patrol, not the United Earth Naval Patrol. Although, why an interstellar republic would have a military service dealing with oceanographic warfare instead of leaving that to its Member States is... unclear.

Maybe it's more like a Coast Guard (i.e. primarily search and rescue) for colony worlds with oceans that don't yet have the capability to deploy a domestic equivalent.

 

[Sci]

Why would DS9 need to be administered by Starfleet at all? Without a Cardassian or Dominion threats, the station is just another tollbooth whose administration can be devolved to whatever local authorities exist. We aren't presuming that every space station must be run by the central government of the Federation, are we?

No, but even with the war over, DS9 would be one of the most strategically important space stations in local space. Exploration of and trade with the Gamma Quadrant is still vital -- there is a reason the station was important before the war. DS9 would also almost inevitably be an important waypost and staging area for transportation of material and personnel to Cardassia as it rebuilds (and Alled ships occupying its territory). DS9 is also one of the closest Federation starbases to Breen territory, which would make it fairly important. And, of course, its original mission of providing Federation support and protection to Bajor is still valid.

Maybe it's more like a Coast Guard (i.e. primarily search and rescue) for colony worlds with oceans that don't yet have the capability to deploy a domestic equivalent.

That would make more sense.

 

[DS9forever]

I watched the episode last night. It was pretty great. Does David Mack still work on LD? I wonder if he suggested using the Karemma. Nice touch whoever thought of it.

I doubt I'll watch another episode of LD though. A phaser is akin to a gun, I don't think shooting your colleagues would go down well. I know it was sent on stun, but still.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

No, but even with the war over, DS9 would be one of the most strategically important space stations in local space.

That might be what the in universe explanation would be, but it is not in line with historical examples. Certainly the US has bases, built on land it usually leases, but it negotiates uses of ports for the most part in foreign nations. The military is only initially the entity that distributes aid and oversees development, but that is turned over to other organizations as the security needs diminish. Given that Bajor reached the level of development that allowed it to join the Federation as a member, there would be far less need to Starfleet to be directly involved in its affairs. It would only need to rent facilities on DS9. If they really needed dedicated port facilities, Starfleet should be looking to build its own station. It would be the same thing as the US Navy having San Diego for the fleet, but having the bulk of its supplies going through the Port of Los Angeles--not nationally owned, not state owned, but municipality owned,

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

DS9 is run by Starfleet because the Bajoran government asked them to. It's as simple as that.

Bajor may own the station, but if they happened to ask Starfleet for help in running it, that is of course their prerogative.

As for the Militia: No reason why there couldn't still be one even after Bajor joins the Federation. They don't all have to be absorbed into Starfleet. I mean, Vulcan still retains ITS own fleet, even though it's a founding member...

 

[TheSeeker]

I'd like everyone to keep in mind this episode only aired last week. I've seen a few minor spoilers in this thread which could easily have been hidden with the spoiler tag. It costs nothing to use the spoiler tag, so when in doubt just go ahead and use it!

Thanks!

 

[fireproof78]

I doubt I'll watch another episode of LD though. A phaser is akin to a gun, I don't think shooting your colleagues would go down well. I know it was sent on stun, but still.

It is in line with DS9 though...

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[Ragitsu]

IMO, even the title is a spoiler.

 

[kkt]

Hello. Drama, not documentary.

 

[TheSeeker]

IMO, even the title is a spoiler.

The promotional material made it clear they were going to DS9, so I consider it fair game.

 

[Sci]

That might be what the in universe explanation would be, but it is not in line with historical examples. Certainly the US has bases, built on land it usually leases, but it negotiates uses of ports for the most part in foreign nations. The military is only initially the entity that distributes aid and oversees development, but that is turned over to other organizations as the security needs diminish. Given that Bajor reached the level of development that allowed it to join the Federation as a member, there would be far less need to Starfleet to be directly involved in its affairs. It would only need to rent facilities on DS9. If they really needed dedicated port facilities, Starfleet should be looking to build its own station.

Why do that when Deep Space 9 is already there and there's already a legal arrangement to operate it as a joint Federation Starfleet/Bajoran Militia starbase? Seems like a waste of resources to build something that's already more than adequately served by the existing station.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Why would DS9 need to be administered by Starfleet at all? Without a Cardassian or Dominion threats, the station is just another tollbooth whose administration can be devolved to whatever local authorities exist. We aren't presuming that every space station must be run by the central government of the Federation, are we?

Still the threat of some other power coming to attack DS9 if the Federation isn't there to defend it. Still a pretty key economic position that made Bajor into an economic power.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Just binged the whole of Season 3 and I am totally onboard for an animated DS9 continuation!

 

[kkt]

So which Lower Decks season and episode is set at DS9?

 

[Charles Phipps]

My headcanon is that the Bajoran vedeks said they'll join the Federation when Sisko returns. Which they expect any day now.

SIX YEARS LATER

"Any day now."

 

[Turtletrekker]

Watch it legally for free for a limited time on YouTube, along with the rest of season 3 of Lower Decks.

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[Sci]

Watched it again the other night. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I felt like I got to visit old friends I hadn't seen in 20 years.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, the only old friends there were Kira and Quark, and they both sounded like they had aged 20 years more than their characters did.

I personally felt let down. DS9 was my favorite Trek series, and the episode just didn’t sit well with me.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

only old friends there were Kira and Quark, and they both sounded like they had aged 20 years more than their characters did.

And Morn, and he sounded like his good Ole self.

 

[Dukhat]

And Morn, and he sounded like his good Ole self.

He’s the exception to the rule.